Wrong turns made in storylines Marvel edition

[Dr. Skeleton]

Since there's one in the DC thread, there's been a plenty in the Marvel side. Which has been for you that ruined beloved characters permanently or storylines that was just unnecessary? Here's a few of mine:

Clone Saga
Hank Pym's "The Slap"
Age Of Apocalypse
Heroes Reborn

[Omega Alpha]

There's nothing wrong with AoA, hasn't ruined anything- apart from maybe making anything Apocalypse does look small in comparison

[Iron Maiden]

I think the one that had the most harmful and long lasting effect was Hank Pym's The Slap. It looks like he may finally emerge from that stigma with the new Ant Man series.

[K7P5V]

Definitely, my choice would be Dan Ketch no longer being The Spirit of Vengeance ever again...

[Omega Alpha]

I think the one that had the most harmful and long lasting effect was Hank Pym's The Slap. It looks like he may finally emerge from that stigma with the new Ant Man series.

He should have long ago, but Marvel doesn't let, because they want to milk the drama, There's people that commited genocide that get less grief than Pym does.

[FFJamie94]

I guess the most obvious one is "One More Day".
Yeah it's been 15 years since the story came out, but even now, Marvel are still toying with the idea of them as a couple. On one hand, Marvel doesn't want a married Peter and find his relationship troubles more interesting than an actual formal relationship, on the other hand, MJ is still a wildly popular character and is considered to be "Peter's one true love". No matter how far apart they are, they manage to find a way back together.

I think the issues with OMD could have been solved if they simply shot MJ, have a moment where Peter says he'll find a way back to her before making the deal. Then you leave the door wide open for any possibility that may happen next.

Ant Man's slap is something that could have been solved with a simple "He was a skrull" during secret invasion.

The Clone Saga is a good 6 part idea spread out across 2 years in an attempt to reboot Spider-Man. In many regards, it's the prologue for editorial to get rid of MJ. First you make the Peter who married her a clone, then when that doesn't turn out, you kill her in a plane crash, then when you go back on that you have him make a deal with the devil.
But even besides that, it's a "The Principle and the Pauper" moment where you take a beloved character and you say that he isn't said character. Except here, it's the title character.
Could work for a Grant Morrison Image title, doesn't work with Amazing Spider-Man. Even besides that, trying to turn a Clone Story into an actual story when you've already done it once is a wrong move. Just bring Ben back and give him his own title so you have two Spider-Men.

Civil War 2 makes no sense and only exists to cash in on the momentum of Captain America: Civil War. Even then, there are ways to do it right and this gets it wrong. By introducing an element which has already existed (someone seeing the future) and focusing the main plot of the story around that, it kind of negates the many other People with that ability. Heck, it would have made the current X books feel obsolete just due to what Destiny can do. Then with it ending with a literal "My Planet Needs Me" it negates the whole event, just turning the entire thing into a pointless exercise in marketing. It's certainly the worse event and is only held up due to its involvement with Secret Empire.

Speaking of Secret Empire, I have no issue with the basis of the event, I just feel that Marvel should have allowed Nazi Cap to be Cap... with it ending with a battle in the mind. I actually think SE says something about 2017 America which went unnoticed and that was what happens with the Symbol of American freedom becomes corrupted? While I don't dislike how it ended, it should have at least tried to answer that message, and that is freedom will overcome in the end if it has the power to take down corruption.
Then you could have had a run afterwards that explores the mental state of someone who came back from that pipeline and had to clear his name. In fact, that could have been a good opportunity to give us a new Uncanny Avengers run, where Cap has to reconcile with what the rest of the World sees him as and the mutants who don't want to be on Krakoa try to clear their own names.

[Rift]

Robbie Reyes was ruined by Jason Aaron's Avengers. He did a complete 180 on his characterization, making a stoic and brooding, but intelligent kid into some comedic sidekick. Last I heard, they removed his uncle and made him a regular Ghost Rider, which took away a very interesting and tragic element of his character.

[gurkle]

"No more mutants." Were any fans happy with the outcome of that? Years of misery-porn storylines about mutants as an endangered species, all of which were the fault of Wanda, who still hasn't really recovered from it.

[Rincewind]

Arguably, bringing Jean Grey back after the original Dark Phoenix story.

It robbed the DP story of its emotional weight. Claremont's long term story plans were upended. It made Scott Summers a very unsympathetic character and ruined Madelyne Pryor.

[Steroid]

That original Marvel Knights Punisher run when he went all supernatural comes to mind.

An example of a good story that completely ruined a character I love would be The Messiah Complex. Great story but was a complete character assassination of Bishop.

[Lukmendes]

Definitely, my choice would be Dan Ketch no longer being The Spirit of Vengeance ever again...

Considering Danny is the one who was used to introduce a lot of the stuff people know about Ghost Rider (Including the Penance Stare, something Johnny didn't use until the 2000's), that is a very weird thing to do.

I guess the most obvious one is "One More Day".
Yeah it's been 15 years since the story came out, but even now, Marvel are still toying with the idea of them as a couple. On one hand, Marvel doesn't want a married Peter and find his relationship troubles more interesting than an actual formal relationship, on the other hand, MJ is still a wildly popular character and is considered to be "Peter's one true love". No matter how far apart they are, they manage to find a way back together.

I think the issues with OMD could have been solved if they simply shot MJ, have a moment where Peter says he'll find a way back to her before making the deal. Then you leave the door wide open for any possibility that may happen next.

I think they did that with aunt May instead of MJ so MJ has some agency in that choice.

Ultimately what they did was a situation where Spidey and MJ are two idiots who both convince the other to make a choice neither one wants lol.

Ant Man's slap is something that could have been solved with a simple "He was a skrull" during secret invasion.

That would be odd, 'cause the Secret Invasion itself happened relatively recently when it was going on, while Pym's slap happened all the way back in the 80's, meaning that the Pym we've seen for about half of his existence (At the time) would be a fake.

[Omega Alpha]

Arguably, bringing Jean Grey back after the original Dark Phoenix story.

It robbed the DP story of its emotional weight. Claremont's long term story plans were upended. It made Scott Summers a very unsympathetic character and ruined Madelyne Pryor.

Oh, absolutely. Although Madelyne is a character that should never have existed in the first place, and for all the complaints about Shooter interfering, very few editors would have allowed a character to marry a doppelganger of his dead girlfriend five issues after she showed up, without anyone else seeing anything wrong with it. And it's inevitable someone else would have broke them up.

An example of a good story that completely ruined a character I love would be The Messiah Complex. Great story but was a complete character assassination of Bishop.

I agree, but at the same.time all the characters treating him like nothing happened is just jarring.

[Rincewind]

Everything between Avengers #200 and the Kurt Busiek Avengers run for Carol Danvers.

She was manipulated into marrying the son of Kang and going off with him. She returned, only to lose her powers. She also lost her memories/emotions/something, got new powers, and hang out with space pirates for awhile. Kurt Busiek returned her to an Earthbound hero with approximately original powers.

[Rincewind]

Monica Rambeau's Captain Marvel after Roger Stern was fired. She was injured in a way that never came up before as an excuse to get her out of the book. Her powers were reduced and she was in comic limbo for years. She lost her superhero name twice.

Thankfully, she's had a resurgence in recent years.

[9th.]

Jubilee becoming a vampire for like 10 years, I mean seriously like....why???