Judgment day 4 spoilers and review. Please kill off Druig

[Cyclone_Ablaze]

Art was nice and the two pages of magneto was nice. That is all i got. The rest? it was what it was.

Oh and seeing Storm hold magneto. That image will become iconic imo.

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I agree.

These Panels HERE are the only thing that I enjoyed. Everything else is WACK and LAME. I would have loved for the Storm/Magneto vs Uranos Fight to go on a bit longer, but what we got was cool.

[ZuLuLu]

It looks more and more like the Celestial doesn't really know what it's doing and is making everything up as it goes. It seems childlike.

Well he is just a few hours old.

[carmoc1234]

Did anyone name all the psys in the unimind

jean grey, emma frost, charles xavier, mr sinister, exodus, rachel, cassandra nova, cuckoos, proteus, monet, amahl farouk, kid omega(?), jono and mentallo. weirdly no betsy or kwannon here for a group of the main mutant psychics

[MkDiz]

why is Kid Omega there? I thought he was supposed to be dead.

[andreikes]

We're almost at the end of the event, and the judgment criteria still feel pretty vague and confusing.

Apparently he's judging according to people's own judgments. If they think what they do is right, it's okay, if not, it's not. Something internal and subjective

[Krakoa]

why is Kid Omega there? I thought he was supposed to be dead.

He also showed up in 3. Maybe an error since the A-office is editing this.

[ZephyrSurf]

If anyone ever asked you what Daredevil is.

This is it.


EVERY RUN

ALWAYS


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It's the best thing Marvel has consistently put out

[JB]

Had they all known that laughing at and walking away from the Celestial was the key...



Doom wins.

[Rift]

Sidenote: Congrats Rift, on Katrina's FAIL.

Oh yes, I loved that part. The Celestial doesn't even give her a reason, he just fails her. Maybe he's a good judge of character after all.

I find them really straightforward, to be honest -- they're just individualized. It's not people being rated out of 10. But almost every judgement, especially in the Gillen-written books, makes sense to me as based upon metrics that are personal to each character.

I think that's a problem, honestly. There isn't a coherent metric and people are judged differently for different criteria. Like I get you can't judge poor people for not donating money to charity, but I can't tell what the Celestial's judgments are going for. It's not judging people on their morals. It looks at personal values, but seems to pick and choose small details, while ignoring a person's strength of character or their ability to work despite their flaws. Self-realization and addressing your issues helps, but then the Celestial randomly chooses not to address a person's issues or even judge them for them. In this issue, the judge admits that he won't judge kids, yet will presumably wipe them out anyway if the judgment fails.

I'm really dumb so I most likely missed the key points. So I don't know what the judge is trying to achieve, because it's seeking different things from different people. I think that it wants a world where people are more self-realized and true to themselves, but then again ???

[Doom'nGloom]

I really got a kick out of the way the Celestial judges people. I think in the context of the story it's not perfect but it works. Our concepts of good/bad and right/wrong are merely social constructs that were put in place to keep us in check. There is not a "universal morality that all living things abide" to speak of so to me it makes sense for a higher being like a celestial (even if his "father" is a human) to judge humanity based on the parameters they individually set for themselves and not whether they are "good" or "bad" as if to a higher being these should mean anything.

Had they all known that laughing at and walking away from the Celestial was the key...



Doom wins.

What is a god to a godkiller

[Glio]

This has been fantastic, one of the best events in years.

Oh yes, I loved that part. The Celestial doesn't even give her a reason, he just fails her. Maybe he's a good judge of character after all.


I think that's a problem, honestly. There isn't a coherent metric and people are judged differently for different criteria. Like I get you can't judge poor people for not donating money to charity, but I can't tell what the Celestial's judgments are going for. It's not judging people on their morals. It looks at personal values, but seems to pick and choose small details, while ignoring a person's strength of character or their ability to work despite their flaws. Self-realization and addressing your issues helps, but then the Celestial randomly chooses not to address a person's issues or even judge them for them. In this issue, the judge admits that he won't judge kids, yet will presumably wipe them out anyway if the judgment fails.

I'm really dumb so I most likely missed the key points. So I don't know what the judge is trying to achieve, because it's seeking different things from different people. I think that it wants a world where people are more self-realized and true to themselves, but then again ???

That's the point: He's a Celestial zombie with the moral standards of an Eternal religious fanatic (Ajak), a self-loathing narcissist (Stark) and less than 24 hours to live.

He doesn't have a defined morality and that's why he's dangerous. He is judging each person by a different metric because he does not have (and really does not exist) a single unifying morality for all.

[dragon1440]

Between X-Men Red and this issue, why did I low-key start shipping them?

Speaking of Red, spoilers:

Disappointed that Tony got to deal the final blow after Red set us up with the best Arrakki crew to take Uranus down.

end of spoilers

Other than that I can't seem to care about the main conflict in this book anymore. This Celestial is saying random shit, so I'm not interested in the moral question of "is humanity worth saving?" Like Doom gets a pass because he's self-absorbed and Daredevil fails because he's got Christian guilt? Cage fails because he doesn't put on a front and pretend like he has answers to questions he can't answer?

I think Gillen should have picked one. Either the Celestial judges you on your prior actions at face value OR the Celestial judges you based on your sense of self. This wishy-wishy, bit of both thing just isn't working for me.

The way the Celestial judges you has more to do with how you judge yourself, truely and deeply not just on the surface. And really if it judged just on past actions it would not be fair. Because what its judgement is can look very different then what someone else judges the same thing. Really what the celestial is doing is holding up a mirror to the judgement of yourself. For example we know Captain America has had issues about if he is a symbol for freedom vs a symbol for the government, to boil it down to easy terms. We know Steve judges himself VERY harshlly at times from those moments. We know Emma acts like she is all tough but we also know she judges herself on how the hellions died. Thor wouldnt be able to pick up the hammer if unworthy and we know that it really comes down to how Thor judges himself. All the judgements make complete sense, if it is really the characters judging themselves. And really sometimes its not judging on a past action persay but how a character judges themselves on past actions, again using Emma we know she has moved on in many ways from that horrible moment but we also know a lot of her self judging she hides stems from that moment. Thus that moment is a representation of self judgement.

[lefthanded]

I find them really straightforward, to be honest -- they're just individualized. It's not people being rated out of 10. But almost every judgement, especially in the Gillen-written books, makes sense to me as based upon metrics that are personal to each character.

Kinda surprised by all the negativity on here as I thought this issue was fantastic and the best of the series so far. The emotional core of the judgements was great, especially the way the 6 human characters were used here. They've been given a lot of personality very quickly. Some fun wider Marvel cameos like Kamala and Doom as well (Daredevil's judgement was the only one to fall a little flat for me). Some fun and well-drawn team ups here with the Uni-Mind and Storm and Magneto getting their revenge on Uranos (that fight scene could have been longer, wish we had a couple more pages for that, but wouldn't necessarily take something else out - maybe a longer version in Red #7?).

Agreed. It seems like people on this forum like to constantly neg AXE.

This is a competently written event, in the style of Gillen. I understand that people might not gel with Gillen's style (much like how I had a strong distate for Bendis' style), but this event is doing everything it is setting out to do in a consistent way. Compared to other events, the pacing is great and contains all you need to know. Each issue benefits from the tie-ins without leaving you hanging if you didn't read the tie-ins.

People grousing that there isn't enough mutants in this event are kind of ridiculous. It is AXE, not aXe. Even then, you already get more Mutants in your tie-ins. The The Eternals only get one tie-in. Comparatively, there is no where else for Avengers to get another fix.

[dragon1440]

why is Kid Omega there? I thought he was supposed to be dead.

And why are there only 4 cukoos?

[Rift]

That's the point: He's a Celestial zombie with the moral standards of an Eternal religious fanatic (Ajak), a self-loathing narcissist (Stark) and less than 24 hours to live.

He doesn't have a defined morality and that's why he's dangerous. He is judging each person by a different metric because he does not have (and really does not exist) a single unifying morality for all.

Oh, I see. Personally, that makes it much worse for me.