Wolverine ruins Cyclops as a character

[Hoodj]

Yes, i read current xmen from time to time but from the Byrne era or even some else worlds, I feel Scott is the most pathetic superhero in comic books thanks to seemingly having a true love and equal soul mate bond with fellow x-man vet Jean Grey but is freaking tarnished and overshadowed by super badass money making claw n carnage super brute Wolverine and serving his woman to him on a silver platter. Other than Reed Richards and his drama with Sue about Namor, this element is what is keeping me from being a true fan of the character. A hero is supposed to be inspirarional and beyond reproach in being undeserving of having less aspiring faults(about their relationships with their girlfriends) compared to other men that show repulsive and inadequate traits to the audience to make the hero a great person to root for, and for the obvious pick for women. But alas i just see Scott known for being a third wheel to a couple he has to prop the bad boy and serve as "ntr" fuel for those ******* and edgy audience types who like Han Solo and Tony Stark, which is a shame, Scott with Jean helps me appreciate him more as a fully well rounded character as it shows his principles to do the best he can with people he cares about without adapting to extreme edgy ways, but every time he loses his woman to Logan or adds Logan to his plot, he starts becoming a try hard edgelord and weakly wants to size him up by being a douchebag as he lets Jeans attraction to Logan get to him, this is evident in the Ultimate X-men comics for example.

The poly thing is just a big no for me. He wants to screw or let jean be screw by a nigh immortal killer vet and husky body hair dwarf. Id take doom cucking Reed over this, at least reed is constant with his indifference with Sue.

[Glio]

Nah, that Scott doesn't behave like a caveman like "Woman mine, I'll fight you" is better than that

Ultimate Scott es irrelevant because everybody was a jerk in that universe.

[Exodus]

nah, they only have an open relationship. Nothing wrong with that. Important and beautiful change for their relationship!

They probably read "Th Ethical Slut" by Janet Hardy and gave it a go.

[Askani's Flame]

Yes, i read current xmen from time to time but from the Byrne era or even some else worlds, I feel Scott is the most pathetic superhero in comic books thanks to seemingly having a true love and equal soul mate bond with fellow x-man vet Jean Grey but is freaking tarnished and overshadowed by super badass money making claw n carnage super brute Wolverine and serving his woman to him on a silver platter. Other than Reed Richards and his drama with Sue about Namor, this element is what is keeping me from being a true fan of the character. A hero is supposed to be inspirarional and beyond reproach in being undeserving of having less aspiring faults(about their relationships with their girlfriends) compared to other men that show repulsive and inadequate traits to the audience to make the hero a great person to root for, and for the obvious pick for women. But alas i just see Scott known for being a third wheel to a couple he has to prop the bad boy and serve as "ntr" fuel for those ******* and edgy audience types who like Han Solo and Tony Stark, which is a shame, Scott with Jean helps me appreciate him more as a fully well rounded character as it shows his principles to do the best he can with people he cares about without adapting to extreme edgy ways, but every time he loses his woman to Logan or adds Logan to his plot, he starts becoming a try hard edgelord and weakly wants to size him up by being a douchebag as he lets Jeans attraction to Logan get to him, this is evident in the Ultimate X-men comics for example.

The poly thing is just a big no for me. He wants to screw or let jean be screw by a nigh immortal killer vet and husky body hair dwarf. Id take doom cucking Reed over this, at least reed is constant with his indifference with Sue.

Wow. "The most pathetic superhero in comic books"? I there are literal TONS of other characters that fit the bill before Scott, but you're entitled to your opinion. Question: what makes a hero to you? I ask because in reading your comment you are strictly focused on audience (us the reader vs the in-universe denizens of Earth) and their relationships with women (which is like is a pretty gross metric). You're putting far too much emphasis on Wolverine and Jean in relation to Cyclops' ability to be a hero and leader. Cyclops is an actual hero, whereas Wolverine is heroic but has too much red in his ledger to make him a true hero. Wolverine is not inspirational for most. He's a weapon in the good guys hands that has found a moral compass. Also do you read the X-Men? Because saying that Scott is "known for being a third wheel" is just wild. You're saying that in the 60 years that he has been in comics, the ONLY thing you know his for (and therefore others a s well) is how Wolverine was ham-fisted into his relationship with Jean in the comics. That's all? Really?

Audience: By audience you mean us the readers of comic books, because in-universe no one is overwhelmingly rooting for Wolverine outside of the X-Men. Scott is who they wear tshirts and have signs about. Who people march for. Who people root for. He has been the unite-er and inspiring force for mutants and mutant-human relations. He IS the Captain America of mutants. He is who people look to when they need answers. Not Logan, unless it requires stabbing things.

Relationship: While no one should be defined by their relationship, we all know it happens. But my man, are you saying that because in 616 Scott has a poly relationship with Jean and Emma, that he is less of a man because Jean chooses to have a relationship with Wolverine? How has he lost "his woman to Logan"? Therefore he's not a good superhero? So he's supposed to just tell an omega-level mutant who help terraform a dead planet that she isn't allowed to feel things? Your opinion is your own but reeks of chauvinism, misogyny, and alpha male nonsense.

[Triniking1234]

I've read some salty posts but this has to be in the top 10.

Scott never "lost" Jean to Logan. Even when Scott was with Emma, he's still portrayed as a heroic character. Didn't Logan snitch on the X-Men to the Avengers? smfh, Scott would never.

[Steroid]

No just no to everything the OP wrote.

[Jackraow21]

I find the whole Scott-Logan rivalry boring and dated. The updated version of it, that Ewing came up with in X-men Red between Cable and Thunderbird, is much fresher and has more potential as it's not stale and played-out like Scott-Logan. To me the only really good thing about the polyamory relationship that Scott-Jean-Logan have now is that it finally put that rivalry to bed (literally). But if I'm being honest here, I don't find the throuple all that interesting just because its unconventional like some do. I do feel like Jean and Logan have more chemistry than her and Scott, and Scott has more chemistry with Emma so I prefer them as a couple myself. And after reading some off the wall stuff like the Wolverine: The Best There Is series where Logan and Dazzler screwed, and today's X-Terminators issue #1, I'm starting to think Logan and Dazzler would be a more fun couple than he and Jean. But maybe that's just me... after all, my first exposure to the X-men was the old six-player side scrolling arcade game which had Logan and Dazzler (along with Scott, Nightcrawler, Storm and Colossus).

[Askani's Flame]

I find the whole Scott-Logan rivalry boring and dated. The updated version of it, that Ewing came up with in X-men Red between Cable and Thunderbird, is much fresher and has more potential as it's not stale and played-out like Scott-Logan. To me the only really good thing about the polyamory relationship that Scott-Jean-Logan have now is that it finally put that rivalry to bed (literally). But if I'm being honest here, I don't find the throuple all that interesting just because its unconventional like some do. I do feel like Jean and Logan have more chemistry than her and Scott, and Scott has more chemistry with Emma so I prefer them as a couple myself. And after reading some off the wall stuff like the Wolverine: The Best There Is series where Logan and Dazzler screwed, and today's X-Terminators issue #1, I'm starting to think Logan and Dazzler would be a more fun couple than he and Jean. But maybe that's just me... after all, my first exposure to the X-men was the old six-player side scrolling arcade game which had Logan and Dazzler (along with Scott, Nightcrawler, Storm and Colossus).

Honestly I feel 100% the same both about the new rivalry (that actually makes sense) with Cable and Thunderbird, that Scott v Logan is so 80's and boring, and yes to Logan and Ali.

[Omega Alpha]

OP, that post says a lot more about you than about the characters.

[Jackraow21]

Honestly I feel 100% the same both about the new rivalry (that actually makes sense) with Cable and Thunderbird, that Scott v Logan is so 80's and boring, and yes to Logan and Ali.

Nice! That makes me 3 for 3.

[Saithor]

Uh….no he doesn’t. I didn’t like their dual school rivalry thing but outside of that they are fine together.

[Talon1load]

I agree with the dislike of the whole poly relationship. Like, for decades there’s been a rivalry and jealousy and then suddenly, literally out of nowhere, they are in some weird poly relationship? No man. It just comes off as weird fan fiction.

[Saithor]

The poly relation is the weakest part. I think it could be chalked up to Hickman clues left unused.

[EldonMaguan]

The “poly”triangle was handled in the worst way such that it grossly disrespected Scott/Cyclops and made him into Scat/Cucklops tsk tsk tsk Jean lived in HIS house (the SUMMERS House , NOT the Summers-Grey House) yet still had sex repeatedly with Logan , a “guest” in the same house , whats more she’s supposed to be his “wife” (hotwife is much more like it, which fits with the Phoenix Force also being too promiscuous as well with its hosts) —- notice she never calls him her “husband” anymore —- which implies X-clusivity , yet he has to share her with his worst rival Bullverine (who essentially squats in his house) , when she doesnt have to share him with anyone else (since its confirmed by Emma herself that she and Scott havent had sex with each other since Utopia over a decade ago IRL) , thats just too unfair as to be humiliating like Japanese “NTR” trauma-porn . Now if Jean and Scott weren’t married but casual sexfriends and if Jean had her OWN house where Scott and Logan were her gentlemen-callers on equal footing with each other whenever they visited, it wouldnt be as offensive, in fact, I could even accept it, albeit begrudingly. But as it is, the treatment of Slim (which is how much dignity still remains to him) by Red and Runt is exactly what happened to Selene’s vampiric ex-husband Marcus Gallio by his first wife and her mistral to cause him to become evil to begin with in the first place tsk tsk tsk

[Omega Alpha]

The “poly”triangle was handled in the worst way such that it grossly disrespected Scott/Cyclops and made him into Scat/Cucklops tsk tsk tsk Jean lived in HIS house (the SUMMERS House , NOT the Summers-Grey House) yet still had sex repeatedly with Logan , a “guest” in the same house , whats more she’s supposed to be his “wife” (hotwife is much more like it, which fits with the Phoenix Force also being too promiscuous as well with its hosts) —- notice she never calls him her “husband” anymore —- which implies X-clusivity , yet he has to share her with his worst rival Bullverine (who essentially squats in his house) , when she doesnt have to share him with anyone else (since its confirmed by Emma herself that she and Scott havent had sex with each other since Utopia over a decade ago IRL) , thats just too unfair as to be humiliating like Japanese “NTR” trauma-porn . Now if Jean and Scott weren’t married but casual sexfriends and if Jean had her OWN house where Scott and Logan were her gentlemen-callers on equal footing with each other whenever they visited, it wouldnt be as offensive, in fact, I could even accept it, albeit begrudingly. But as it is, the treatment of Slim (which is how much dignity still remains to him) by Red and Runt is exactly what happened to Selene’s vampiric ex-husband Marcus Gallio by his first wife and her mistral to cause him to become evil to begin with in the first place tsk tsk tsk

Emma hasn't confirmed she and Cyclops aren't having sex.