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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope89 View Post
    He needs more than just powers to be distinguished. He needs a personality outside of "Clark-lite" (and that's when he does get some semblance of personality).
    Then he probably has to wait a while cause ..In the 80years superman publishing history..Clark kents personality has been around the block.The character ain't batman with one tone consistent portrayal.(exception being the goofy tv show)
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    Funnily enough Jon is actually in a good position now to develop his personality.

    Cause with his father back he doesn't have to live up to being "Superman", he can do whatever he wants.

    Really he should have never been Superman to begin with, he's too young. Its just cruel and nepotism to expect him to automatically be the number 1 hero and lead his own Justice League.

    Honestly it would have been more organic for either Kara or Con to succeed Clark's position while working alongside Jon to get him up to speed. Which hilariously is what they are currently doing with the super-team now. Its insane to expect a kid to do all this alone when he has a family who can support and mentor him, and I don't mean Dick. Thats just more cause Taylor happened to be writing both Jon and Dick's series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis-Ray View Post
    Funnily enough Jon is actually in a good position now to develop his personality.

    Cause with his father back he doesn't have to live up to being "Superman", he can do whatever he wants.

    Really he should have never been Superman to begin with, he's too young. Its just cruel and nepotism to expect him to automatically be the number 1 hero and lead his own Justice League.

    Honestly it would have been more organic for either Kara or Con to succeed Clark's position while working alongside Jon to get him up to speed. Which hilariously is what they are currently doing with the super-team now. Its insane to expect a kid to do all this alone when he has a family who can support and mentor him, and I don't mean Dick. Thats just more cause Taylor happened to be writing both Jon and Dick's series.
    That's assuming superman is number 1 hero.the character ain't.it's batman.Also jon having superman title doesn't mean much to me if the character get's turned into milquetoast hero that clark is perceived to be and sometimes is in actuality.

    You are kidding yourself if you think jon is suddenly going to grow parasitic extraterrestrial plant on himself,ride a flying thought-beast,gets the superman sword trying to turn the world upside down with their mischievous adventures..

    Nope! ain't gonna happen.He ain't gonna develop anything..The character will play in the "classic" superman ball park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manwhohaseverything View Post
    That's assuming superman is number 1 hero.the character ain't.it's batman.Also jon having superman title doesn't mean much to me if the character get's turned into milquetoast hero that clark is perceived to be and sometimes is in actuality.

    You are kidding yourself if you think jon is suddenly going to grow parasitic extraterrestrial plant on himself,ride a flying thought-beast,gets the superman sword trying to turn the world upside down with their mischievous adventures..

    Nope! ain't gonna happen.He ain't gonna develop anything..The character will play in the "classic" superman ball park.
    Are you referencing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope89 View Post
    16 still, for Tim. He's getting Ash Ketchum syndrome pretty bad.
    No, he's 18 now.

    Exhibit A: He was about to go to college at the end of Rebirth Tec before Bendis took him for Young Justice.
    Exhibit B: Bernard is described as someone Tim knew from school. Another instance where it's implied that he's graduated.
    Exhibit C: He's living alone on a boat. Surely he has to be a legal adult to do that?
    Exhibit D: In the Robin 80th Anniversary one-shot a couple of years ago, he said he wasn't 20 yet, in a story set just before Rebirth Tec. Odd choice of words if he's not even 18.

    TLDR - he was aged up from 16 to 18 in Rebirth, but hasn't aged up again since then even though Damian has aged up a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    No, he's 18 now.

    Exhibit A: He was about to go to college at the end of Rebirth Tec before Bendis took him for Young Justice.
    Exhibit B: Bernard is described as someone Tim knew from school. Another instance where it's implied that he's graduated.
    Exhibit C: He's living alone on a boat. Surely he has to be a legal adult to do that?
    Exhibit D: In the Robin 80th Anniversary one-shot a couple of years ago, he said he wasn't 20 yet, in a story set just before Rebirth Tec. Odd choice of words if he's not even 18.

    TLDR - he was aged up from 16 to 18 in Rebirth, but hasn't aged up again since then even though Damian has aged up a year.
    He was still sixteen as of Detective Comics: Rebirth #637. He was accepted into Ivy University's special projects program due to his genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Huh, going from an ongoing to a six-issue mini usually spells disaster, but it doesn't seem like they're treating it as a demotion...but maybe they know they need Clark more than Jon.

    I think having Superman Blue powers will definitely help distinguish Jon from his dad.

    Seeing Val-Zod will be nice, although I think we're at peak Superfamily on Earth-1.

    Jon vs. Ultraman sounds like a fight that needs to happen, but I don't trust Taylor to do it justice.
    How is copying his dad again going to make him different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis-Ray View Post
    Are you referencing something?
    A bunch of things..yes..
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    Quote Originally Posted by manwhohaseverything View Post
    A bunch of things..yes..
    Ah, well alright then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DABellWrites View Post
    How is copying his dad again going to make him different?
    In so far as it's not something his dad is currently doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    In so far as it's not something his dad is currently doing.
    It's just retreading old grounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DABellWrites View Post
    It's just retreading old grounds.
    Old grounds that nobody knows or even attribute to superman or how he is generally perceived...Old grounds that should be mined..If clark Ain't available then do it on others..After all they are superfamily...People won't miss out on old ideas that are good.

    For example,the Bat-man used gun..The batman now doesn't..Lo and behold!jason todd appears with guns(a coincidence..but a welcome one)
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    https://www.gamesradar.com/jon-kents...alk-about-yet/

    Interview with various cover arts and a description of the series as a whole. Apparently Val-Zod of Earth-2 (New 52) is going to Jon because Ultraman who held Jon hostage is going through the multiverse and murdering Clark Kents.

    Oh yeah and it looks like electric blue Jon continues.

    "ANOTHER SUPERMAN HAS FALLEN.

    "Across the Multiverse, Kal-Els are being murdered. Val-Zod, the Superman of Earth-2, believes only one man can help stop the killing—Kal-El's son, Jon Kent! Jon will have to step across dimensions and face the killer of the Kal- Els, the monstrous Ultraman, the man who kidnapped and tortured him for years. And Val-Zod is not acting alone in trying to save the Supermen. Who is the mysterious woman alongside him? And what is her shocking connection to the Super-Family?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sifighter View Post
    https://www.gamesradar.com/jon-kents...alk-about-yet/

    Interview with various cover arts and a description of the series as a whole. Apparently Val-Zod of Earth-2 (New 52) is going to Jon because Ultraman who held Jon hostage is going through the multiverse and murdering Clark Kents.

    Oh yeah and it looks like electric blue Jon continues.

    "ANOTHER SUPERMAN HAS FALLEN.

    "Across the Multiverse, Kal-Els are being murdered. Val-Zod, the Superman of Earth-2, believes only one man can help stop the killing—Kal-El's son, Jon Kent! Jon will have to step across dimensions and face the killer of the Kal- Els, the monstrous Ultraman, the man who kidnapped and tortured him for years. And Val-Zod is not acting alone in trying to save the Supermen. Who is the mysterious woman alongside him? And what is her shocking connection to the Super-Family?"
    Off the back this just sound like Spider-verse for Tom Taylor

    Hope they leave KC superman, Reeves superman and supersaur alone because last I need to see those three favorite variant die or be involved just to promote Val zod and adult jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venomized-spider-man View Post
    Off the back this just sound like Spider-verse for Tom Taylor

    Hope they leave KC superman, Reeves superman and supersaur alone because last I need to see those three favorite variant die or be involved just to promote Val zod and adult jon
    Taylor dumping on Clark to promote his OCs? Perish the thought . I really shouldn’t let myself get annoyed because I don’t intend to read this, but damnit I am irritated at how badly this guy so clearly wants to leave his “mark” on Superman. All he does is swipe stuff from Clark or make Clark evil/stupid or have him be le wholesome chungus man for team ups with Batman, he does not deserve to be the guy who has this much control over the character. I’m just praying that fucking mysterious woman isn’t him canonizing “Lara”, his OC Super Daughter from the Injustice dream issue. Feels like something he would do, Jurgens beat him to making a son but by God Taylor is going to be the one to make a daughter.
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