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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaishwarya View Post
    I would be less angsty if some of those threats had been soundly dealt with and moved on. As it stands...

    Sinister is still scheming...into April 2023
    Orchis is increasing their membership by the day.
    Who knows what the **** is going on in X-Force with Beast, but Peacock Man is still in the shadows.
    Then it was Zombie Celestial
    Now we have Mother Righteous and Brand being major twats.
    The only "question" that has been dealt with (and not really satisfactory) is Moira

    That's why I like Duggan's Marauders and X-Men, Ayala's New Mutants and early Excalibur and Hellions because they weren't really heavily oppressed by the larger, darker threats.

    I sort of miss the days where...A threat showed up, and was dealt with in three to four issues, the X-Men had some fun down-time, while the next baddie was in his lair gearing up. It's been years and Orchis and Sinister are still hovering and won't come to any significant resolution anytime soon.
    I was reacting to "The "grim-dark misery porn" tone really was/is a pall over this entire era."
    Some books have a dark feeling, obviously. X-force, or Fallen Angels are supposed to, for exemple.
    I would hardly say it's "grim dark misery porn". For the reference, I would say that McCarty's "The Road" is grim-dark misery porn. In comic books, I would say we had some during maybe A.X.E a bit. Apparently the era just before HOX-POX was a good example of that.
    In your message, you're notably mention the partying, the helping, the rejoycing that was a big part of the setting up of Krakoa, and is definitely not grim-dark. Here you're mentionning at least 5 books out of I think ten or twelve that are more joyful. I would argue that even the darkest-themed comics of the era, X-factor, had some joy in it and found time for celebration and love.

    Now if you're complaining about lingering plots and long-term antagonists I understand if you don't like it. I would argue that it has been pretty much a staple for all X-history, with threats attacking and then going dormant but lingering. Magneto, Apocalypse, the Broods Emplate or Sentinels were almost never really defeated and were always looming out there.
    I personnally like long-term planning, and the reminder that there are still threats out there. Orchis is the obvious big one, so I'm not bothered by it.
    I wish we could deal with X-force faster, though. That one is LONG XD.
    The Zombie Celestial was a crossover antagonist, dealt with in like 3 issues (more if you count the tie ins, obvi) so you should have liked it, though.

    I think that maybe you should refrain from previews and interviews of what's to come, because they're obviously going to preview the threats. I think you're feeling angsty because we've just come off a big threatening crossover so you're feeling that darkness, and with the preview you're at the same time anticipating more darkness to come, so it adds up and it can be a bit overwhelming. Take your mind of Fall of X and you will probably enjoy the present books more.

    I completely agree Destiny of X has been less joyful than HoxPox to Reign of X, but that's the whole point I think. Establishing a living, thriving new nation a bit too fast, hinting at growing powerful threats and now the threats are live, what will our heroes do about it. I also agree Inferno and the Moira "resolution" were a big miss and I do hope Fall of X will help fix that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vishop View Post
    People are throwing stick at Xavier yet there is nothing left for him to be punished because he hasn't feature at all during Gillen's run lol
    You should read Unlimited, that's the current comics : Xavier being left out of everything, the poor guy.

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    Theory: "Fall of X" (and for that matter, "House of X/Powers of X") refers to Moira X, and the story will be about her downfall instead of the X-Men's.

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    I feel if the Avengers are involved it'll be bigger in scale than just Moira

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    From Marvel:

    The X-Men hoped Krakoa would last forever. Time to find out if they were right.
    Like Michael Stipe said, "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine."

    I absolutely love this version of Professor X, so if there are going to be major changes, I will miss this era.

    At the same time, whatever comes next I may like even more.

    Since the upcoming MCU version of the X-Men dominate my thoughts more than the comic version, this Krakoa idea would be a pretty brilliant way to introduce the X-Men. A series of X-Men movies based on HOUSE OF X and POWERS OF X would be incredible.

    Expensive, but incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsan52 View Post
    Yes, reveal her as Merriem Drew.
    Is Moira really Merriem Drew? Because I think she's also Magda Eisenhardt and in turn they're all really Jean Grey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncanny X-Man View Post
    Is Moira really Merriem Drew? Because I think she's also Magda Eisenhardt and in turn they're all really Jean Grey.
    Sorry, wrong post, lol. I meant this for the Magda post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicoclaws View Post
    I was reacting to "The "grim-dark misery porn" tone really was/is a pall over this entire era."
    Some books have a dark feeling, obviously. X-force, or Fallen Angels are supposed to, for exemple.
    I would hardly say it's "grim dark misery porn". For the reference, I would say that McCarty's "The Road" is grim-dark misery porn. In comic books, I would say we had some during maybe A.X.E a bit. Apparently the era just before HOX-POX was a good example of that.
    In your message, you're notably mention the partying, the helping, the rejoycing that was a big part of the setting up of Krakoa, and is definitely not grim-dark. Here you're mentionning at least 5 books out of I think ten or twelve that are more joyful. I would argue that even the darkest-themed comics of the era, X-factor, had some joy in it and found time for celebration and love.

    Now if you're complaining about lingering plots and long-term antagonists I understand if you don't like it. I would argue that it has been pretty much a staple for all X-history, with threats attacking and then going dormant but lingering. Magneto, Apocalypse, the Broods Emplate or Sentinels were almost never really defeated and were always looming out there.
    I personnally like long-term planning, and the reminder that there are still threats out there. Orchis is the obvious big one, so I'm not bothered by it.
    I wish we could deal with X-force faster, though. That one is LONG XD.
    The Zombie Celestial was a crossover antagonist, dealt with in like 3 issues (more if you count the tie ins, obvi) so you should have liked it, though.

    I think that maybe you should refrain from previews and interviews of what's to come, because they're obviously going to preview the threats. I think you're feeling angsty because we've just come off a big threatening crossover so you're feeling that darkness, and with the preview you're at the same time anticipating more darkness to come, so it adds up and it can be a bit overwhelming. Take your mind of Fall of X and you will probably enjoy the present books more.

    I completely agree Destiny of X has been less joyful than HoxPox to Reign of X, but that's the whole point I think. Establishing a living, thriving new nation a bit too fast, hinting at growing powerful threats and now the threats are live, what will our heroes do about it. I also agree Inferno and the Moira "resolution" were a big miss and I do hope Fall of X will help fix that.
    I'm not at all worried or concerned about FoX.
    But, thanks for the advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobei Miyake View Post
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    Like Michael Stipe said, "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine."

    I absolutely love this version of Professor X, so if there are going to be major changes, I will miss this era.

    At the same time, whatever comes next I may like even more.

    Since the upcoming MCU version of the X-Men dominate my thoughts more than the comic version, this Krakoa idea would be a pretty brilliant way to introduce the X-Men. A series of X-Men movies based on HOUSE OF X and POWERS OF X would be incredible.

    Expensive, but incredible.
    It wouldn't work. Krakoa as a premise doesn't work as an introduction to the mutants since it relies upon being a response to how Mutants area treated, therefore makes zero sense in a world with zero history with Mutants. If the X-Men grew up on an island hiding away from the start they wouldn't have their core ideals like they do in the comics. Stuff like the amnesty for the villains and putting aside old grudges doesn't work if those relationships never existed prior. They could have made it work in the Fox universe, but not in the MCU

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    It wouldn't work. Krakoa as a premise doesn't work as an introduction to the mutants since it relies upon being a response to how Mutants area treated, therefore makes zero sense in a world with zero history with Mutants. If the X-Men grew up on an island hiding away from the start they wouldn't have their core ideals like they do in the comics. Stuff like the amnesty for the villains and putting aside old grudges doesn't work if those relationships never existed prior. They could have made it work in the Fox universe, but not in the MCU
    Yeah, you're right. It wasn't a fully formed thought on my part.

    I guess what I was thinking was, what's his reasoning behind starting Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters. And then take that reasoning and just expand it to something based on the Krakoa idea. And on a much smaller scale.

    Basically doing the school and the mansion, but just basing it somewhere else. A secluded island somewhere. Which isn't creepy at all. Not even a little. Okay, maybe a lot creepy.

    Yeah, just do the school and the mansion and be done with it. Or something a bit more creative than that, but not as weird as a secluded island in the middle nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    It wouldn't work. Krakoa as a premise doesn't work as an introduction to the mutants since it relies upon being a response to how Mutants area treated, therefore makes zero sense in a world with zero history with Mutants. If the X-Men grew up on an island hiding away from the start they wouldn't have their core ideals like they do in the comics. Stuff like the amnesty for the villains and putting aside old grudges doesn't work if those relationships never existed prior. They could have made it work in the Fox universe, but not in the MCU
    Plus it goes against the image the wider fanbase and audience has about the X-men formed by cartoons, movies and merchandise, which means there is a lot less room for full blown re-invention or radical shifts.

    The MCU might allow for a lot of changes to characters or teams not yet known to most of the out of comic audiences (which are millions of people compared to the handfull of thousand that still or ever read the comics), but those who are known are even more pressured to fit their expectation to some degree.

    Starting them with Krakoa would be as if they started Spiderman as the Superior version, a 30+ year old Peter Parker who is posssessed by the mind of Doc Ock and the CEO of a mega corp, playing Spiderman as a joyless entitled jerk.

    Though on a positive note. This also means that lesser known X-teams are entirely up for radical changes, which means a bunch of C-list characters could reach A list status if their movie or show is getting over well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobei Miyake View Post
    (...) Yeah, just do the school and the mansion and be done with it. Or something a bit more creative than that, but not as weird as a secluded island in the middle nowhere.
    I kinda hope they don't do the "full house school" concept again. Yes the first movie used it prominently and the comics followed in it's footsteps, but the later also showed the massive flaws with it.

    The role of the X-men as super heros not only paints a massive bullseye on their allready endangered students (basicly any time one of their villains or enemies might show up for revenge the students are directly in the line of fire), but it also means that any time they go on their "day job" as super heros, they need to neglect the safety of these very students.

    Infact the second movie allready quite clearly demonstrated why a school filled with hundreds of kids is a bad spot for a super hero headquarter and why gathering mutant kids in a single spot makes them an ideal target for mass abduction.

    Plus being full time teachers in addition to their super hero role also means that they can't have free time for fun side activities or other professions by themself, without once again appearing negligent.

    I think it would be better if they either use the concept from Evolution or have the Xavier Institute as school for mutant kids in a complete seperated location and with it's own independent staff, seperated from the X-men and their headquarter.

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    I want them as far away from the school as possible. Krakoa, Utopia, SF, Outback, I don't care, but the movies already milked that space to death.

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    As far as the MCU is concerned...they don't have to start from the very scratch with the school.
    They could build off of the FoX-Men where mutants are known to exist but for obvious reasons have pretty much gone into hiding and seclusion somewhere (Krakoa) and are only just re-emerging into the world.

    They can do it as: All the Telepaths got together and "mind-wiped" mutants from humanity's memory and went into hiding for their own safety and preservation. Only now, in 2022, with Kamala Khan and Namor, they're no longer willing to hide and humanity is now slowly remembering...
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