If a 1980s SUPERMAN movie with C. Reeve were to feature Batman, Wonder Woman, etc.

[Cypher]

I was trying to explain to my sister yesterday why comic book fans hate BATMAN AND ROBIN (the George Clooney movie). She had just seen it on TV and enjoyed it. I was at a loss to explain to my sister how the minds of comic book fans work. It really isn't something you can explain to the lay person. For the general public if they get entertainment value out of a movie then it has done its job. But comic book fans are working on a whole other level.

Nah its not comic book fans. Its the internet, and people in general.


Same goes on when you discuss things like Bands ("____sucked after a certain period"), or even things like Cars, etc. Happens with everything. I know because I have an interest in a variety things.

[Jim Kelly]

Nah its not comic book fans. Its the internet, and people in general.


Same goes on when you discuss things like Bands ("____sucked after a certain period"), or even things like Cars, etc. Happens with everything. I know because I have an interest in a variety things.

I'm not sure I buy that. The same people who pass these judgements are the ones who collide with trees while walking and texting or get into traffic accidents while driving and texting. Maybe we shouldn't let those people tell us what we should think, when they don't have the skills for self-preservation.

[TheNewFiftyForum]

I was trying to explain to my sister yesterday why comic book fans hate BATMAN AND ROBIN (the George Clooney movie). She had just seen it on TV and enjoyed it. I was at a loss to explain to my sister how the minds of comic book fans work. It really isn't something you can explain to the lay person. For the general public if they get entertainment value out of a movie then it has done its job. But comic book fans are working on a whole other level.

What can there possibly be to enjoy in Batman & Robin, apart from the dubious pleasure of knowingly watching and making fun of an admitted trainwreck? You certainly don't need to be a comic book fan, or even know who the hell Batman and Robin are, to dislike that movie vehemently.

[Jim Kelly]

Well, I've never watched BATMAN AND ROBIN all the way through. I've seen bits of it on TV and could only stand so much. So I'm not saying that in my opinion it's a great movie. But what I found when I talked to my sister is that it's a very subjective thing and tied into my whole experience as a comic book fan. If I put that aside, it's hard for me to come up with a good argument against the movie. And it's hard to explain why other comic book fans hate it. Nor would I want to. My sister clearly liked the movie--she wasn't in love with it as a great piece of cinema--but it helped pass the time. Why would I want to take that away from my sister? I like my sister.

[Cypher]

I'm not sure I buy that. The same people who pass these judgements are the ones who collide with trees while walking and texting or get into traffic accidents while driving and texting. Maybe we shouldn't let those people tell us what we should think, when they don't have the skills for self-preservation.

I'm not sure what youre trying to say but it seems rather harsh.

What can there possibly be to enjoy in Batman & Robin, apart from the dubious pleasure of knowingly watching and making fun of an admitted trainwreck? You certainly don't need to be a comic book fan, or even know who the hell Batman and Robin are, to dislike that movie vehemently.

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Well, I've never watched BATMAN AND ROBIN all the way through. I've seen bits of it on TV and could only stand so much. So I'm not saying that in my opinion it's a great movie. But what I found when I talked to my sister is that it's a very subjective thing and tied into my whole experience as a comic book fan. If I put that aside, it's hard for me to come up with a good argument against the movie. And it's hard to explain why other comic book fans hate it. Nor would I want to. My sister clearly liked the movie--she wasn't in love with it as a great piece of cinema--but it helped pass the time. Why would I want to take that away from my sister? I like my sister.

Well I've been on dates on my house and I used to watch the Batman 1966 movie, which was hated much like everything Batman 66 at one point. But never once was it disliked by anyone I watched it with. And people who casually like things arent going to be fussy about what entertains them. One person I know her favorite Batman movie is Batman and Robin, just because of how silly it is. Then I know some guys who hate it just because of how 'stupid' it looks, and others that like it despite its flaws just because theyre Batman fans.

I dont like Nu52 Superman and I've ranted about how horrible it is to my friends, and infact almost all my friends dont even like Nu52 Superman because of this. And they dont really read comics but like its elements casually.

[Jim Kelly]

The thing is that a lot of people must have liked these movies--or they had very good publicity campaigns--because they made money. You can quarrel about how big the box office was, but the fact that more than a milion people go to see any movie is a minor miracle. Comic books would wish they could pull those kind of numbers.

But I'll leave it there on that topic. I think I'm in danger of creating too much thread drift and I wouldn't want to do that.

[DochaDocha]

From the-numbers.com, re: B&R

1997/06/20 1 $42,872,605 2,934 $14,612 $42,872,605 3
1997/06/27 3 $15,735,702 -63% 2,942 $5,349 $75,208,048 10
1997/07/04 5 $8,027,257 -49% 2,942 $2,729 $90,716,119 17
1997/07/11 7 $4,085,748 -49% 2,701 $1,513 $98,795,842 24
1997/07/18 10 $1,780,393 -56% 1,916 $929 $102,808,366 31
1997/07/25 15 $703,205 -61% 1,090 $645 $104,552,403 38
1997/08/01 23 $306,973 -56% 448 $685 $105,189,283 45
1997/08/08 31 $149,408 -51% 210 $711 $105,506,135 52
1997/08/15 39 $83,183 -44% 153 $544 $105,674,498 59
1997/08/22 26 $417,528 +402% 712 $586 $106,135,313 66
1997/08/29 30 $412,090 -1% 677 $609 $106,712,335 73
1997/09/05 33 $200,106 -51% 640 $313 $107,000,033 80
1997/09/12 36 $103,126 -48% 569 $181 $107,188,619 87
1997/09/19 43 $52,648 -49% 416 $127 $107,285,004

Basically, it just looks like the returns of a bad summer megablockbuster.

[Cypher]

The thing is that a lot of people must have liked these movies--or they had very good publicity campaigns--because they made money. You can quarrel about how big the box office was, but the fact that more than a milion people go to see any movie is a minor miracle. Comic books would wish they could pull those kind of numbers.

But I'll leave it there on that topic. I think I'm in danger of creating too much thread drift and I wouldn't want to do that.

Well yeah, that was my point.

I like BandR for the most part. My original point was that people will dislike things and people will like things, its not just comic book fans.

[manofsteel1979]

From the-numbers.com, re: B&R

1997/06/20 1 $42,872,605 2,934 $14,612 $42,872,605 3
1997/06/27 3 $15,735,702 -63% 2,942 $5,349 $75,208,048 10
1997/07/04 5 $8,027,257 -49% 2,942 $2,729 $90,716,119 17
1997/07/11 7 $4,085,748 -49% 2,701 $1,513 $98,795,842 24
1997/07/18 10 $1,780,393 -56% 1,916 $929 $102,808,366 31
1997/07/25 15 $703,205 -61% 1,090 $645 $104,552,403 38
1997/08/01 23 $306,973 -56% 448 $685 $105,189,283 45
1997/08/08 31 $149,408 -51% 210 $711 $105,506,135 52
1997/08/15 39 $83,183 -44% 153 $544 $105,674,498 59
1997/08/22 26 $417,528 +402% 712 $586 $106,135,313 66
1997/08/29 30 $412,090 -1% 677 $609 $106,712,335 73
1997/09/05 33 $200,106 -51% 640 $313 $107,000,033 80
1997/09/12 36 $103,126 -48% 569 $181 $107,188,619 87
1997/09/19 43 $52,648 -49% 416 $127 $107,285,004

Basically, it just looks like the returns of a bad summer megablockbuster.

Which is surprising seeing how it has a reputation as some Superman IV style bomb...when it actually I think ultimately broke even when adding in the overseas totals from 1997. The movie no doubt sucks...but honestly beyond BATMAN 89, the original Batman movies were nothing to write home about IMO.

As for the original post...I don't see how Chris Reeve Superman could have worked alongside Burton/Keaton Batman. Perhaps it could have worked alongside Lynda Carter WW...but I just don't see it. However, the image above showing 70's and 80's era Trinity alongside 2016's versions...I would SO want to see THAT movie!!!

[byc]

All I know is the Trinity would be fighting a giant spider.

[byc]

Batman and Robin works if a person watches it as a campy B-movie. Or if a person just wants to be entertained by silly things. I have no problems watching it whatsoever. Superman 4 on the other hand, is much more difficult to like, because of the low budget, the bad use (and re-use) of special effects, it's still a terrible movie.

Superman 3 is a better example of a bad/campy movie that's watchable. Superman 3 is not good, but it's nowhere near a terrible movie. The main problem is that Lester could fit Superman and Richard Pryor together very well, so it felt very out of place.

[byc]

Cindy Crawford for Wonder Woman. Beautiful and tall.

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Batman is hard...I'd say Harry Hamlin from LA Law.

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[Buried Alien]

Cindy Crawford for Wonder Woman. Beautiful and tall.

cindy-crawford-picture-1.jpg

Batman is hard...I'd say Harry Hamlin from LA Law.

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Cindy Crawford has the look, but from what little I've seen of her acting abilities...

Other than looks, we need performers who won't embarrass themselves opposite Christopher Reeve performing as Superman. The Wonder Woman and Batman actors need to at least hold their own in performance vis a vis Reeve as Superman.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Powerboy]

I'm not sure what youre trying to say but it seems rather harsh.


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Well I've been on dates on my house and I used to watch the Batman 1966 movie, which was hated much like everything Batman 66 at one point. But never once was it disliked by anyone I watched it with. And people who casually like things arent going to be fussy about what entertains them. One person I know her favorite Batman movie is Batman and Robin, just because of how silly it is. Then I know some guys who hate it just because of how 'stupid' it looks, and others that like it despite its flaws just because theyre Batman fans.

I dont like Nu52 Superman and I've ranted about how horrible it is to my friends, and infact almost all my friends dont even like Nu52 Superman because of this. And they dont really read comics but like its elements casually.

I think that, with the 1966 Batman movie, there's more an acceptance that it was made for children and judged on that level.

As to George Clooney, I did like his Bruce Wayne. Truth to tell, us stupid as it was, I was just in the mood at the time for a more lighthearted Batman that sort of reveled in the props of Batman. I liked Alfred's speech about who and what Batman is and I even liked Clooney's acting as Batman, just not the script. And yet, though I try to say how bad lines like, "The Bat-Card, never leave home without it" were, I can't think about them without laughing.

I know it's up there with Star Trek 5 in people's lists of bad movies but I thought it was a nice middle ground between the total silliness of the Adam West era and the total morbidness of other versions, sort of Bronze Age in approach.

[UltraWoman]

There aren't too many actors from this time frame that I could imagine as Batman opposite Reeve (please note, he was Julliard trained and as a result, an excellent actor as evidenced by differentiating between Clark and Superman in a way never seen before or since). I would imagine the actor for Batman would have to have action chops due the physicality of the story. At this time action movies weren't really known for their acting chops (hence, which Reeve eschewed the action options he was given in favor of artsy films that aren't well-known today). I do feel like there'd be a lot more females that would taken on Wonder Woman, but I can't think of them right now.