I got it.
We know that certain characters are "time locked", depending upon the needs of DC. Superman, Batman and a few other characters can't be members of the JSA because they are "locked" as "modern" characters. However, we can solve this by having it that the JSA, on Earth-Zero, had interactions with alternate timeline/dimension versions of modern heroes. Example: Earth-S still exists, so you can still have it that the Marvel Family from THAT Earth visited the JSA on Earth-Zero, thus making the ALL-STAR SQUADRON #36 AND #37 in continuity. Batman and Superman? TIME TRAVEL. And besides, Superman and Batman were honorary members who only appeared in a few issues. And the reason for all this? Well, the so-called "golden age" had a mixture of super-science, mad science, occult mysticism, etc. thrown in, particularly from the Nazis and their Thule Society folks. You could make up a reason why suddenly, you had a huge influx of metahumans springing up, then a lull, then a spike. The reasons could be anything, from someone doing something, to a prelude of things to come. Just need to be creative about it. As to Alan Scott, Jay Garrick and other heroes still being around? A combination of things, ranging from being stuck in Ragnorak for a number of years, to the energies of the Green Lantern and Speed Force keeping their respective user young, etc. But the main thing is to have fun with the fiction. Wel don't have to over think anything about this...
I doubt continuity was in any better shape in the 50s, 60s, or 70s either. Any long form serial stuff from any publisher anywhere with hordes of writers over decades has contradictions....
Peoples obsession with continuity is ridiculous.
And your point is exactly right. If a writer references it then it's relevant to the story. If not, then ignore it.
Continuity has never been a struggle for me... maybe partly cause my memory isn't as meticulously as some on here. But also cause I don't go looking for contradictions. I'm just here for a good time.
I couldn’t agree more with this point, this “everything matters” BS just makes everything inaccessible, not only to new readers but also old ones.
It’s hard to form an emotional connection with characters if you never really know what were the formative events in their lives. It’s why a lot of current interactions between characters seem so void. There’s no history there anymore.
DC would be much better served by having one concise main continuity and exploring other concepts in books set in the multiverse.
WW debuting during WWII works great for a classic Earth-2 approach, not the main Earth as it is now.
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Wow, you guys don't understand what "Infinite Frontier" means. This isn't the same thing as Morrison's Batman run.
"Everything Happened" means that the history of the DC universe was rewritten many times by many reboots, and many characters can now remember the various versions of history. Wonder Woman remembers the golden age, the silver age reboot, the post crisis reboot, the Infinite Crisis reboot, the New 52 reboot, the Rebirth reboot. It's all from a different version of history, but she can remember it all.
What isn't clear is if Geoff Johns understands this and is following this. Helena Bertinelli seems to be from Earth 2 or something like it. Is the JSA we are seeing from Earth 2? That still has to be answered.
I'm really curious in fact, I got to say that I'm intrigued so much that I can't wait for JSA to come out.
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Geoff Johns understand it; he's the guy who introduced the notion that the history of the DCU was rewritten many times. See Doomsday Clock.
Bear in mind, though, that the “everything happened” notion started to get rolled back in Infinite Frontier, when it was revealed that the “restored memories of everything” were far from universal. This means that writers are free to use or ignore the “Everything Happened” concept.
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Rogue wears rouge.
Angel knows all the angles.
And if you don't like the ickiness of Golden Age Steve Trevor cheating on Diana or Diana eventually dating her own grandson (the two options you'd have to deal with by making modern-day Steve the descendant of Golden Age Steve), incorporate part of the post-Crisis retooling of Lyta's backstory: she was raised by Derek and Joan Trevor as much as by her biological mother. Then give Derek and Joan a modern-day grandson named Steve.
Rogue wears rouge.
Angel knows all the angles.
You guys are making it more and more complicated for new readers and whenever they adapt things to other media.
You’re just asking for another Didio situation, where the new new publisher comes in, sees your scenario and decides to kill off all of them because that sounds too complicated.
The goal is streamline not make it more convoluted.
That is the goal. However it is far more easily said than done. The continuity has shifted considerably for many of these characters and taking out and putting back years of life and story is not a simple task. I can easily accept the fact that a perfect solution and reassembling of a character's continuity is impossible. However, there is a level of careful work and research that should be done. DC has rarely done that in its near constant revamping of their characters' histories.
I’ll don the mask and wear the cape
If I am super, how can I wait?
That wpuld be perfect. Remove WW from the large dcu. She has heen treated like trash gor the majority of her 81 years in events and team book. It is obvious they will never treat her with any kind of respect. People expecting things to improve are fooling themselves.