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    Quote Originally Posted by scary harpy View Post
    That may be the only way you that you can think of...but that is not the only way.

    Although, I admit the solution would require creativity...and that may have been a stumbling block at DC. From what I understand, some at DC were not big Titans fans.
    And Keith Giffen once claimed that TPTB at DC at the time "hated" what he and DeMatteis were doing with the JLI and related books, but they put up with them because they sold better than most of the rest of the line. By the time Morrison took over the League in the later 90's, the JLI era of the team had, in-universe, replaced the Detroit era team as the version looked back upon by the DC heroes as an embarrassment to the League, and Max Lord transformed into a caricature of an evil villain. (Like what now seems to be trying to be done with Amanda Waller, yet again.)

    As I understand it, and please correct me if I get the numbers wrong, in the early '80s the New Teen Titans was outselling EVERY DC title at something like 800,000 issues a month, with my beloved LSH coming in second place by selling like 400,000 issues a month. We've come to know in recent years that there is an existing hierarchy (in DC's eyes) of characters and titles that are "supposed" to be the best-selling, and the ones that are expected to sell or perform poorly. They'll accept it when something sells well but seem to hold a grudge against whatever either outperforms what's "supposed" to be selling well or when creative teams do amazingly well using writing or art styles that fly in the face of how "things are supposed to be done." Major exception seems to be the Vertigo stuff, which got DC something else: prestige. Hell, I still remember when DC or the Superman offices were still trying to "remind" the audience that they were "supposed" to like Superman more than Batman.

    Point being, "karma" always seems to happen to characters or titles that somehow violate this self-imposed hierarchy, no matter how well-made or financially successful they are. "Sabotage what succeeded but shouldn't have succeeded" seems to be a corporate policy at DC that predates Dan Didio's reign of terror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timber Wolf-By-Night View Post
    "Sabotage what succeeded but shouldn't have succeeded" seems to be a corporate policy at DC that predates Dan Didio's reign of terror.
    I think it's pretty clear Didio was the most obvious with it. In that he would appear supportive of certain projects in public while undermining everything from bts (as Mark Waid would suggest with 52 and his second run on Flash).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Clark View Post
    I'd rather they preserve the JSA published history rather than the sliding timeline. The team debuted in 1940 with the shown members. You can insert new stuff like the All-Star Squadron where new characters, adventures, or connections are fit between panels but nothing that makes major changes to the published stuff.

    I'll take trying to figure out how Power Girl was there in 1976 before Superman appeared any day over scenes of Hippolyta being pasted in for Diana just to preserve the fiction that the Trinity have to modern heroes.
    Doesn't all of this diminish the major icons of the DCU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanlos View Post
    Doesn't all of this diminish the major icons of the DCU?
    The JSA has existed "before" the Trinity since 1986. This isn't a new twist. Power Girl didn't necessarily publicize that she was a future-Superman's cousin either...I think the Trinity's role of importance will survive.

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