Gold Goblin#1 Spoilers & Discussion

[Frontier]

I'm fairly sure treating him with abject and visceral contempt on a daily basis wouldn't exactly help his goal here and he's smart enough to know that.

Is he coming off as bitter enough even in their "civil" interactions though?

[Tendrin]

Is he coming off as bitter enough even in their "civil" interactions though?

Would it help?

The last thing he wants is to encourage backsliding.

I mean, it's pretty clearly hinted at that Norman helped him save MJ. This on top of Harry's death likely explains a lot about where they are.

[PanicPixieDreamGirl]

Would it help?

The last thing he wants is to encourage backsliding.

I mean, it's pretty clearly hinted at that Norman helped him save MJ. This on top of Harry's death likely explains a lot about where they are.

Speaking of Harry... the fact that he died specifically to save Norman (a truly baffling writing decision) still hasn't been mentioned yet. Norman's only vision of Harry's death is his original death in the ambulance, which he wasn't even there for!

[Tendrin]

Speaking of Harry... the fact that he died specifically to save Norman (a truly baffling writing decision) still hasn't been mentioned yet. Norman's only vision of Harry's death is his original death in the ambulance, which he wasn't even there for!

Probably because that was the pre-clone Harry, and the one who died for him is 'just a clone'.

Ugh.

[Huntsman Spider]

Speaking of Harry... the fact that he died specifically to save Norman (a truly baffling writing decision) still hasn't been mentioned yet. Norman's only vision of Harry's death is his original death in the ambulance, which he wasn't even there for!

Probably because that was the pre-clone Harry, and the one who died for him is 'just a clone'.

Ugh.

Which is a shame, given that one of the better themes and ideas in the Clone Saga was, "Just because you were born or made as a duplicate of someone else, that doesn't mean your life as it is doesn't have value or worth."

[Tendrin]

Which is a shame, given that one of the better themes and ideas in the Clone Saga was, "Just because you were born or made as a duplicate of someone else, that doesn't mean your life as it is doesn't have value or worth."

Harry's just a massive mess now, even bigger than he was before thanks to Spencer, which is unfortunate.

[Huntsman Spider]

Harry's just a massive mess now, even bigger than he was before thanks to Spencer, which is unfortunate.

Unfortunate, indeed.

[Tendrin]

Unfortunate, indeed.

Killing him was a mistake, anyway. Just another example of Spencer wasting his entire run and don't even get me started on what I think of the Norman/Harry/Mephisto garbage.

[Matt Rat]

Killing him was a mistake, anyway. Just another example of Spencer wasting his entire run and don't even get me started on what I think of the Norman/Harry/Mephisto garbage.

Killing Harry again was the right thing to do. He serves the narrative so much better as a tragedy who's best redemption is bittersweet thing, post-OMD Harry felt like he was given way too many 'perfect' moments and there was nowhere compelling to take him after all that, hence why he got used less and less.

[babyblob]

I Just read the Red Goblin story from Going Down Swinging. And all the hell Norman put Peter through in that story line alone makes this whole Peter being nice and civil to norman that much harder to take.

I get the whole he doesnt want Norman going back to the Goblin, but damn it is just hard to take.

[Huntsman Spider]

I Just read the Red Goblin story from Going Down Swinging. And all the hell Norman put Peter through in that story line alone makes this whole Peter being nice and civil to norman that much harder to take.

I get the whole he doesnt want Norman going back to the Goblin, but damn it is just hard to take.

Especially at the end when Norman "finally" twigged onto the fact that he never had to just go after Peter's friends and family and other loved ones to make him suffer; all he ever had to do was just glide into the city and start massacring random people out of nowhere, because Peter was just that compassionate and heroic. Granted, Go Down Swinging did end with Peter literally taking a bullet so Jonah couldn't kill a seemingly defeated and disoriented Norman after losing the Carnage symbiote, so there might be precedent for Peter's (somewhat wasted) compassion regarding Norman there.

[PanicPixieDreamGirl]

Killing Harry again was the right thing to do. He serves the narrative so much better as a tragedy who's best redemption is bittersweet thing, post-OMD Harry felt like he was given way too many 'perfect' moments and there was nowhere compelling to take him after all that, hence why he got used less and less.

Really, it depends what you're looking for.

Version one, you have the story of a mentally ill and suicidal man who self-destructs so badly, and gives into his addictions so violently, that he almost takes all his loved ones down with him. However he manages to avoid that come the very end and throws off the influence of his abusive father and all of the other factors that made him like that. Love wins in the end. It's a really good story.

Version two, said man still does all that but lives and has a normal life. That is not as good a story, probably not by a long shot, but it is a better Something To Aspire To.

[babyblob]

Especially at the end when Norman "finally" twigged onto the fact that he never had to just go after Peter's friends and family and other loved ones to make him suffer; all he ever had to do was just glide into the city and start massacring random people out of nowhere, because Peter was just that compassionate and heroic. Granted, Go Down Swinging did end with Peter literally taking a bullet so Jonah couldn't kill a seemingly defeated and disoriented Norman after losing the Carnage symbiote, so there might be precedent for Peter's (somewhat wasted) compassion regarding Norman there.

And he killed Flash! That really made me mad. All the stuff Fladsh has been through and done to be killed by Norman. Yes he died a hero but it really angered me.

Did Flash's death stick or has he come back? I dont mind spoilers.

[Jman27]

And he killed Flash! That really made me mad. All the stuff Fladsh has been through and done to be killed by Norman. Yes he died a hero but it really angered me.

Did Flash's death stick or has he come back? I dont mind spoilers.

Flash came back in the King of Black event

[babyblob]

Flash came back in the King of Black event

K thanks. I am not there yet.

I just finished issues 801. And am working my way up to the new stuff.