X-Men #17 - Review/Spoilers

[dragon1440]

That was good issue for Forge. I love how he changes his mind, from abandoning Laura to rescuing her after talk with Caliban and Serafina. Also that last page with them talking and him apologizing to Caliban for misusing his mutant abilities.
What I hate is that we get Synchverine, again. I want Synch to interact with GenX pals, I want him to at least talk with Monet, hell, I want him to be his own character, not to be defined by that "lovestory".
I want Laura to be something more then a prop in his development. I get, great that we get that whole scene that looks like Jean and Scott giving their son a gift for X-Mass, but I'd like at least one panel to hear how she feels, maybe she saying something like "Did he make it, can I see him?" or anything like it. Cool that it was her decision to kiss him, that's a bare minimum.
I really don't enjoy this plot, for both of them.

So I dont get it and have really tried. Can you explain something to me, not trying to be rude but really just dont understand the mindset and would like to. You don't want synch to be defined by that one "love story" but you want him to interact with his old classmates, esipically his old love monet. Isn't that defining him by his first "love story". Doesnt that contradict the whole idea?

[Triniking1234]

I'm still concerned about what it means being her age now that she's outside of the Vault. Can her healing factor stall the aging process that much? How old was Old Man Logan supposed to be, do we know? The data page mentioning Forge using Tempo's powers to dodge the "temporal storm" made me doubly concerned.

Old Man Logan was at least 100 but Hickman did some sci-fi voodoo where Synch, Darwin and Laura being together slowed down their aging.

[Devaishwarya]

I'm still concerned about what it means being her age now that she's outside of the Vault. Can her healing factor stall the aging process that much? How old was Old Man Logan supposed to be, do we know? The data page mentioning Forge using Tempo's powers to dodge the "temporal storm" made me doubly concerned.

Yupp.

I can see Their joy and reunion tragically short-lived. (As heartbreaking as that might be for Ev...it could be great emotional storytelling)

But then...

I remember Wolverine was one of the very last mutants alive in the "Zoo" towards the end of Hickman's PoX so...

[Rakurai]

So I dont get it and have really tried. Can you explain something to me, not trying to be rude but really just dont understand the mindset and would like to. You don't want synch to be defined by that one "love story" but you want him to interact with his old classmates, esipically his old love monet. Isn't that defining him by his first "love story". Doesnt that contradict the whole idea?

Sure thing.
I'm not saying that's all I want for him, it's just something I wish to see. For now it's huge part of him after resurrections, and since I only lately, after Vault begun, read Generation X, I'd love to see how much have changed, how all the characters grew.
Just like I'm not saying yeet everything away, but I thought we already got him coming to terms that it's over. I feel like much of Krakoan era Synch and Laura are about each other and for both of them I'd like to see something more. Hope that's clearer, I currently have migraine and writing in english gets a bit hard.

[Nazrel]

Old Man Logan was at least 100 but Hickman did some sci-fi voodoo where Synch, Darwin and Laura being together slowed down their aging.

Normal Logan is like 130, OML was like 200; but he was slowing dying from Adamantium poisoning as having a completely Adamantium skeleton was overwhelming his healing factor. This version of Laura wouldn't have that problem, to that degree anyway; it was just Synch borrowing from the other two to stay alive.

[BobbysWorld]

Normal Logan is like 130, OML was like 200; but he was slowing dying from Adamantium poisoning as having a completely Adamantium skeleton was overwhelming his healing factor.

Interestingly, Vault Laura shouldn't have that problem though. Because she was sent in way before the later resurrection snafu when Proteus accidentally gave her an adamantium skeleton cuz Duggan forgot she didn't have one.....so this Laura shouldn't have any adamantium for her healing factor to deal with.

[Jackraow21]

Old Man Logan was at least 100 but Hickman did some sci-fi voodoo where Synch, Darwin and Laura being together slowed down their aging.

Old Man Logan also seemed to get the gray hair from the trauma more so than the age. As we’ve seen him live much longer in other timelines where he wasn’t even fully gray (e.g., in Powers of X).

[JB]

Old Man Logan was at least 100 but Hickman did some sci-fi voodoo where Synch, Darwin and Laura being together slowed down their aging.

Oh yes I forgot about that, thank you!

Yupp.

I can see Their joy and reunion tragically short-lived. (As heartbreaking as that might be for Ev...it could be great emotional storytelling)

But then...

I remember Wolverine was one of the very last mutants alive in the "Zoo" towards the end of Hickman's PoX so...

I agree in that if they have her pass away due to rapid aging it could make for great storytelling, as heartbreaking as it would be. But there would be some closure and him by her side for her final moments. The cover and solicit for the next issue make me think this may be the direction they go. Or they'll just come up with something to say she's still aging slowly and have her stick around.

Normal Logan is like 130, OML was like 200; but he was slowing dying from Adamantium poisoning as having a completely Adamantium skeleton was overwhelming his healing factor. This version of Laura wouldn't have that problem, to that degree anyway; it was just Synch borrowing from the other two to stay alive.

Much appreciation for the info.

[Frontier]

It's weird. This is technically, like, the original Laura right? But it feels so emotionally disconnected with normal Laura running around and the whole Synch thing although it feels like they're also treating her like the same Laura they all knew and loved.

Not even sure what there is to do with her other than as a supporting character for Synch's story, which seems to be what's happening, but I guess it gives Duggan a Laura with more of a blank slate so people can maybe complain less about how he writes her (probably not).

[Triniking1234]

Normal Logan is like 130, OML was like 200; but he was slowing dying from Adamantium poisoning as having a completely Adamantium skeleton was overwhelming his healing factor. This version of Laura wouldn't have that problem, to that degree anyway; it was just Synch borrowing from the other two to stay alive.

I'm trying to figure out how I got only 100 from ~1890 to 2070+. I must be older than Logan.

[Ulysian_Thracs]

It's weird. This is technically, like, the original Laura right? But it feels so emotionally disconnected with normal Laura running around and the whole Synch thing although it feels like they're also treating her like the same Laura they all knew and loved.

Not even sure what there is to do with her other than as a supporting character for Synch's story, which seems to be what's happening, but I guess it gives Duggan a Laura with more of a blank slate so people can maybe complain less about how he writes her (probably not).

I recall Laura dying and getting resurrected at least once prior to the Vault storyline. If I'm right, and if this whole resurrection thing is really just cloning (and at this point is there any real argument that it isn't?), Old Laura is a clone of original Laura who died a couple of times before she hit the Vault. So she is a clone of the clone (and possibly several more iterations) of Logan's clone.

(Please correct me if I am remembering incorrectly. You guys know better and remember much more than me.)

[Rakurai]

I recall Laura dying and getting resurrected at least once prior to the Vault storyline. If I'm right, and if this whole resurrection thing is really just cloning (and at this point is there any real argument that it isn't?), Old Laura is a clone of original Laura who died a couple of times before she hit the Vault. So she is a clone of the clone (and possibly several more iterations) of Logan's clone.

(Please correct me if I am remembering incorrectly. You guys know better and remember much more than me.)

I don't recall her dying on Krakoa before Vault.

[Nazrel]

I don't recall her dying on Krakoa before Vault.

I do not recall that either.

[Triniking1234]

Laura only appeared in Fallen Angels with Teen Cable and Psylocke and I don't think any of the heroes died in that book. Her Vault adventure was right after that book got canc- I mean, ended.

[Kingdom X]

So, no Darwin rescued after all. That is sad.

So the Children just let Forge (and Caliban) leave without a fight? Surprizing to say the least.

Finally, I want the newer Wolverine version, meet the older one and have a fight over which version should life!!!

Laura would never do that. She'd probably embrace this older version as one of her clone sisters before she decided to fight her to the death.

Onto the issue itself... like others have said, LOVED the Forge content. THIS is how you do morally ambiguous scientist (take notes Percy).

The Synchverine discourse honestly exhausts me. I have a lot of love for both characters individually so I just wanna see them thriving.

I can see Their joy and reunion tragically short-lived. (As heartbreaking as that might be for Ev...it could be great emotional storytelling)

Ditto. I don't see this ending well at ALL.