DCU Movies

[Pinsir]

The MCU has what? Over 20 films that made profit. Over 10 that hit billion? They can survive The Marvels flopping lol.

The Marvels flopped, yes. But let's not act like Superman, one of the biggest superheroes doing ok numbers is considered anything great.

It does not matter how many successful hits you had in the past. Star Wars was historically the largest franchise in history and the Force Awakens made more domestically than any Marvel movie, but Star Wars is now universally believed to be a dead franchise. It looks like the same thing is happening to the MCU, except worse, because Star Wars was not getting megaflops like the MCU is now.

DC did the right thing back in 2022 and frankly, they are now years ahead of Marvel at this point. James Gun's Superman film releases the same year as Cap 4, a film that is a sequel to a forgotten Disney+ show from 2021 and is being reshot again from the beginning...I don't know if Gunn's new DC universe will be successful, but I know Cap 4 won't be.

[Pinsir]

The last time DCEU had a successful movie was in 2019...MCU can definitely afford a couple of flops, especially since their next movie is a guaranteed money-maker.

The Batman came out in 2021 though and was a huge success. I am away you said DCEU, but that doesn't matter anymore. We're talking about future DC projects here that have nothing to do with the DCEU

As for Deadpool 3, its not going to make money at all. Maybe on paper, but it was bought of Disney's 71 billion acquisition of Fox, they already overspent to get it made. As for its on paper success we got two options a) If it does well, the MCU still collapses b) If it does poorly, the MCU still collapses.

The Batman and, arguable the Joker, doing well didn't save the DCEU. Neither will a Fox X-Men film, even if it has an MCU coat of paint.

[Psy-lock]

The Batman came out in 2021 though and was a huge success. I am away you said DCEU, but that doesn't matter anymore. We're talking about future DC projects here that have nothing to do with the DCEU

As for Deadpool 3, its not going to make money at all. Maybe on paper, but it was bought of Disney's 71 billion acquisition of Fox, they already overspent to get it made. As for its on paper success we got two options a) If it does well, the MCU still collapses b) If it does poorly, the MCU still collapses.

The Batman and, arguable the Joker, doing well didn't save the DCEU. Neither will a Fox X-Men film, even if it has an MCU coat of paint.

DCEU fans are something else...

[mace11]

Also, if you add the Disney+ productions...Secret Invasion was obviously a major flop

Secret Invasion did not flop and was it in the 10 top for original streaming shows for each episode.

Some examples.
https://www.ratingsryan.com/2023/07/...ending_22.html
https://www.ratingsryan.com/2023/08/...ending_42.html

[Frontier]

Secret Invasion did not flop and was it in the 10 top for original streaming shows for each episode.

Some examples.
https://www.ratingsryan.com/2023/07/...ending_22.html
https://www.ratingsryan.com/2023/08/...ending_42.html

It definitely flopped critically!

[HsssH]

Secret Invasion did not flop and was it in the 10 top for original streaming shows for each episode.

Some examples.
https://www.ratingsryan.com/2023/07/...ending_22.html
https://www.ratingsryan.com/2023/08/...ending_42.html

From what I remember argument was that it had low viewership when compared to other MCU shows, while having bigger budget.

[Primal Slayer]

It does not matter how many successful hits you had in the past. Star Wars was historically the largest franchise in history and the Force Awakens made more domestically than any Marvel movie, but Star Wars is now universally believed to be a dead franchise. It looks like the same thing is happening to the MCU, except worse, because Star Wars was not getting megaflops like the MCU is now.

DC did the right thing back in 2022 and frankly, they are now years ahead of Marvel at this point. James Gun's Superman film releases the same year as Cap 4, a film that is a sequel to a forgotten Disney+ show from 2021 and is being reshot again from the beginning...I don't know if Gunn's new DC universe will be successful, but I know Cap 4 won't be.

It certainly matters.

Star Wars cant be seen as a dead franchise when it has 3-4 tv shows and a whole new slew of movies coming out. That is the furthest from dead you can get.

1-2 MCU films that flopped arent killing the brand. You seem to ignore that GotG 3 and BP 2 both were very successful films.

Secret Invasion did not flop and was it in the 10 top for original streaming shows for each episode.

Some examples.
https://www.ratingsryan.com/2023/07/...ending_22.html
https://www.ratingsryan.com/2023/08/...ending_42.html

It flopped. Being in the top 10 streaming shows does not make it a success. It had a $212 million dollar budget. It was expected to do A LOT BETTER than what it did.

The Batman came out in 2021 though and was a huge success. I am away you said DCEU, but that doesn't matter anymore. We're talking about future DC projects here that have nothing to do with the DCEU

As for Deadpool 3, its not going to make money at all. Maybe on paper, but it was bought of Disney's 71 billion acquisition of Fox, they already overspent to get it made. As for its on paper success we got two options a) If it does well, the MCU still collapses b) If it does poorly, the MCU still collapses.

The Batman and, arguable the Joker, doing well didn't save the DCEU. Neither will a Fox X-Men film, even if it has an MCU coat of paint.

So the MCU had been a failure since it didnt make Disney back the $4billion they spent on it until 6-7 movies in. Ok.

[phonogram12]

Secret Invasion did not flop and was it in the 10 top for original streaming shows for each episode.

Some examples.
https://www.ratingsryan.com/2023/07/...ending_22.html
https://www.ratingsryan.com/2023/08/...ending_42.html

While I didn't necessarily think it was the best, I enjoyed it, personally, so this is good to hear.

DCEU fans are something else...

Aren't they, though?

[Morgoth]

but Star Wars is now universally believed to be a dead franchise.

‘THE PHANTOM MENACE’ earned $8.1M in the film’s domestic re-release.

Second highest grossing re-release in the past decade.

Nah, sorry, doesn't seem like it's dead.

[Doctor Know]

https://deadline.com/2024/05/biggest...es-1235902825/

Least it was *only* the second biggest box office flop thanks to The Marvels. Doubt we are getting another Flash movie any time soon. Maybe even never, I think he’ll be strictly a TV/animation character from now on.

This is a bloodbath everyone saw coming.

We can throw the Flash on the pile of other DC properties that will never see the big screen solo again.

Green Lantern
Justice League
Suicide Squad
Birds of Prey
Blue Beetle
The Flash
Shazam and Black Adam
After WW84 failed and Patty Jenkins alleged blow up at WB for not moving forward with WW3. Diana’s probably on WB’s shit list too.

WB/DC certainly played its part in killing the superhero genre.
Same with Sony. Morbius and Madame Web.
Same with Disney/Marvel. The Marvels, Ant-Man 3, the Disney+ shows, Eternals.

It’s like George Lucas said decades ago. Executives know these IPs make money. But they don’t know how or why.

[Psy-lock]

This is a bloodbath everyone saw coming.

We can throw the Flash on the pile of other DC properties that will never see the big screen solo again.

Green Lantern
Justice League
Suicide Squad
Birds of Prey
Blue Beetle
The Flash
Shazam and Black Adam
After WW84 failed and Patty Jenkins alleged blow up at WB for not moving forward with WW3. Diana’s probably on WB’s shit list too.

WB/DC certainly played its part in killing the superhero genre.
Same with Sony. Morbius and Madame Web.
Same with Disney/Marvel. The Marvels, Ant-Man 3, the Disney+ shows, Eternals.

It’s like George Lucas said decades ago. Executives know these IPs make money. But they don’t know how or why.

I doubt they'll bench JL forever. It's their most recognizable property after Batman and Superman.

[El_Gato]

The last time DCEU had a successful movie was in 2019...MCU can definitely afford a couple of flops, especially since their next movie is a guaranteed money-maker.

There upcoming slate looks like a bunch of flops incoming. Is anyone really excited for a reshot Captain America 4 (Anthony Mackie isn’t a star), Thunderbolts?, Blade? Fantastic Four? It’s like the MCU turned into the new DCEU and is just throwing projects at the wall and seeing what sticks

[Laser_Man]

I doubt they'll bench JL forever. It's their most recognizable property after Batman and Superman.

Joker and Harley Quinn are way more recognizable than Justice League.

[Laser_Man]

There upcoming slate looks like a bunch of flops incoming. Is anyone really excited for a reshot Captain America 4 (Anthony Mackie isn’t a star), Thunderbolts?, Blade? Fantastic Four? It’s like the MCU turned into the new DCEU and is just throwing projects at the wall and seeing what sticks

I mean it still looks more promising than Gunn's DCU lineup which has exactly one surefire hit i.e. Batman and that hasn't even started development.

Fantastic Four were one of the most anticipated movies after X-Men and the anticipation for it is much more than for Gunn's Superman.

Bucky and Yelena are extremely popular characters which will definitely help Thunderbolts.

Blade has the benefit of having a successful trilogy in the 90s so its not like it's obscure.