We got another Juilliard guy as Supes
We got another Juilliard guy as Supes
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I would argue they should have parted ways after MOS. I think, though, that DC -- and even Gunn still don't get it. The first Wonder Woman was close, but still a bit off track. Shazam II, and Flashpoint felt bloated (and were both poorly cast, IMHO). It shouldn't be that difficult to make an engaging movie on these characters. Flash could have (and should have) been amazing, but everything they did with the character -- the personalit, the outfit, the actor) was too far off brand. I know Gunn had some success doing that with Guardians, but only comic book fans knew who they were. There are some expectations when the characters have been in other productions.
I hope they scale back and keep future films simple -- at least until they can build up to bigger things organically.
Is the James Gunn DCU Doomed now?
youtube.com/watch?v=BpOEB0LaSBE
Last edited by Jabare; 06-27-2023 at 03:51 PM.
The J-man
This was the year I officially felt old/ancient and completely out of touch. I was so excited about Keaton returning as Batman and I thought the world would be too but I guess I was wrong. I was excited about Indiana Jones but it looks like that is going to bomb too.
I turned 40 but feel like I’m ready for the nursing home with the pop culture things that excite me.
I stay away from the social media, but as far as I am aware from the major news outlets, Ezra's sexual orientation has not come into play as a reason for the Flash not doing well. The honest fact is that Ezra is not movie star at all to mainstream audiences. Sure, Ezra was a part of the Fantastic Beast franchise, but not used on the main movie posters to sell the movie. The general public probably only think of Ezra as a person playing the Flash. If they know a little more, then they would know about the crimes. If they know more, then they might know about the LGTBQ side of things. So I think that is a stretch to blame the audience for that as a reason for the movie's failure (in more religiously conservative countries, you may have a point, but is not a reason for the Domestic box office failure).
Imdb scores are not generally a good indicator since even people who haven't seen the movie can rate it (especially in the near term; in the future once all the hype dies down then it may be more accurate). Cinemascore is a more dependable measure since it actually reflects people who saw the movie. The Flash got a B score, which seems good, but is low for what should be a crowd-pleasing blockbuster.
So ppl here are blaming Snyder for the failure of the Flash? How does that theory apply to the 1st Aqua man,WW1,SS and Shazam? Does seem like a silly position imo.
Last edited by CliffHanger2; 06-27-2023 at 08:50 PM.
Yes. This. Absolutely.
Not to mention that the OTHER stars of the movie couldn’t even promote the movie either because all of the late night talk shows are on hiatus due to the writers strike. Like, if Michael Keaton (one of our most beloved actors in Hollywood) or even Sasha Calle (an “exciting new talent”) had been able to appear on Jimmy Kimmel or Stephen Colbert to promote the movie, it would have probably drummed up excitement.
And keep in mind, I absolutely support the writers strike. But that was also a factor at play here.
The fact is that people on this forum ONLY want to make boogeymen out of the people who were previously steering the ship at DC. And while I definitely had issues with the way it was being run, they still knew how to market a movie. We did get the highest-grossing DC movie of all time under that leadership.
*Flash is about to be one of the biggest bombs in box office history*
Quick, let's announce the superman casting right now! Forget about sdcc!
Kinda funny
Pretty sure late night tv shows don't get as many views as your comment seems to imply. And if you're talking about the combined effect with online interviews on youtube, that still doesn't amount to a difference in the hundreds of millions.
Flash had a trailer at the superbowl, they put in the work for marketing
Last edited by Thephantasm; 06-28-2023 at 03:37 AM.
Not that many people watch late shows, and of those that do, the demographics are not typically those who buy tickets to superhero movies.
https://deadline.com/2021/06/late-ni...ar-1234772290/
It mentions that "Across adults 25-54, The Late Show wins with a 0.5 with 614,000 viewers" and "Meyers also wins the 18-49 demo with a 0.2 and 215,000 viewers".
This is an old article, and current state, the ratings for late shows have dropped off even more. Even if half the viewers who saw Michael Keaton laugh it up with Kimmel decide to watch the movie, that still only results in .... 250k people * $20 ticket = $5 million dollars (it is more likely that 1 in 10 viewers who see it decide to see the movie based on that, so more like $1m dollars).
Certainly, you could push back and say that more people will watch the clips on Youtube and then decide to see the movie. But it is largely unclear how Youtube views translates to actual ticket purchases.
It could have helped, but in no way does 'missing out on promoting the movie' to half a million viewers explain the box office performance.