DCU Movies

[dswynne]

And yet the first Wonder Woman and Aquaman are still the most successful DCEU movies (and some of the most successful DC movies in general) despite not featuring Batman at all.

True, but, speaking for myself, those films were suppose to be the jumping on points after JUSTICE LEAGUE, kind of the reverse of what Marvel Studios did. JL was suppose to be the focal point after BATMAN V. SUPERMAN, with everything spinning off from there (including SUICIDE SQUAD).

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

I'm sure at least Ayelet Zurer was replaced.

Again, one actor being recast does not translate to reboot. The MCU has had multiple recastings.

How it's not a new universe? Legacy and Brave and the Bold aren't recasting Affleck and Cavill, they are entirely new iterations of the characters.

Affleck filmed for Aquaman 2 before Gunn took over. Even Momoa revealed in interviews that Ben was back.

It's not a new universe because, as stated previously, we have several characters carrying over with their storylines also carrying over. It's a soft reboot, not a full one. We've dealt with this multiple times in the comics. IF, for example, the same Wonder Woman, Aquaman, The Flash, Shazam, and the rest of the JL were to stay aboard, could we really call it a "new" universe or just the same universe with some tweaks to the timeline?

And honestly, we don't know what's gonna happen with Batman. If this Batman is already at the stage where he has a son and Damian is already his Robin, he's kinda similar to Affleck in that regard anyway. So, they could potentially just be sneakily recasting Batman.

Superman is being "rebooted" but again, that's happened in the comics before while other parts of the universe remained intact.

There's no Burtonverse in the Flash trailer or in the film. It's an alternate DCEU with Keaton existing in place of Affleck. Barry messing the timeline has merged the Batman corner of the DCEU and Burtonverse. Gunn ain't folding anything from The Flash in his own DCU, it can't mesh at all even if he tries to force it.

So, them playing the Burton theme song in the trailer wasn't maybe a clue that this was obviously meant to be an homage to the Burtonverse? Also, if by your own analysis, the Burtonverse has merged with the DCU because of Barry, then that's literally what I'm saying. And its obvious that by the end of the film, Keaton is probably gonna be going back to his universe given that the plan is no longer to bring him into the DCU full-time.

[Holt]

This is 100 percent going to be a new Batman and not a continuation of the Affleck version. If they’ve already gone to the trouble of rebooting Superman (and will certainly be doing the same for Harley), then there’s no real reason to keep Batfleck’s continuity intact.

The only part of the DCEU Batverse we’ll probably still see is Margot Robbie as Harley.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

This is 100 percent going to be a new Batman and not a continuation of the Affleck version. If they’ve already gone to the trouble of rebooting Superman then there’s no real reason to keep Batfleck’s continuity intact.

Even so, if other players from the current DCU like Waller and Wonder Woman are in fact staying on, I don’t think we can say it’s a “new” universe as opposed to simply a tweaked version of the current one.

[Frontier]

It's going to be majority a reboot. I think it's very likely they're going to recast Wonder Woman.

[Robotman]

Even so, if other players from the current DCU like Waller and Wonder Woman are in fact staying on, I don’t think we can say it’s a “new” universe as opposed to simply a tweaked version of the current one.

Would you say the same for post-Crisis and post-Flashpoint DC? After CoIE the New Teen Titans continuity remained intact and after Flashpoint both Batman and Green Lantern didn’t change. But both events left the DCU more than just tweaked.

[Jackalope89]

It's going to be majority a reboot. I think it's very likely they're going to recast Wonder Woman.

I hope they go the Mediterranean route for the actress again. Gal was not a bad Diana. Just, got stuck with some less than stellar scripts, outside of the first WW film.

[Pinsir]

Welp, the Rock sabotaged Shazam 2, looks like we can all agree its his fault and make a Shazam 3

[Maestro 216]

I hope they go the Mediterranean route for the actress again. Gal was not a bad Diana. Just, got stuck with some less than stellar scripts, outside of the first WW film.

I think Gunn wamts a comic accurate Diana with a Greek actress.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

Would you say the same for post-Crisis and post-Flashpoint DC? After CoIE the New Teen Titans continuity remained intact and after Flashpoint both Batman and Green Lantern didn’t change. But both events left the DCU more than just tweaked.

I remember when I read COIE for the first time. From the perspective of the characters living in-universe, it was their same universe. The concept of a timeline and of a universe are two different things. And again, not to mention that a lot of stuff remained canon. So again, if we get some of the same characters continuing on, it’s not a hard reboot. It’s a soft reboot. Gunn has not been shy about that. He literally said as much on Twitter.

[Jackalope89]

I think Gunn wamts a comic accurate Diana with a Greek actress.

Perfect.
Though some hardcore WW fans have said something about Amazons not being Greek or what not. That's them though.

[Jokerz79]

We've been here before as in comicbook movies. Flash will be DC's Days of Future Past they'll cherry pick what they want from the old continuity while basically creating a new one going forward. New Magneto, New Professor X, New Cyclops, New Storm, New Jean, New Beast, New Mystique but we're keeping Hugh Jackman.

Also, there was Bond Casino Royale was Bond's 1st official reboot all the previous films were supposed to be a continuation of each other in a sliding timeline basically like comics. But Casino Royale was a ground up reboot Bond on his 1st mission as a Double O, yet Judi Dench is M and it's not a prequel because she was the new M under Pierce.

Again, they're going to cherry pick what actors they want to keep but I wouldn't count anything Pre Gunn as Canon to the new DCU unless pacifically said to be going forward.

[InfamousBG]

We've been here before as in comicbook movies. Flash will be DC's Days of Future Past they'll cherry pick what they want from the old continuity while basically creating a new one going forward. New Magneto, New Professor X, New Cyclops, New Storm, New Jean, New Beast, New Mystique but we're keeping Hugh Jackman.

Also, there was Bond Casino Royale was Bond's 1st official reboot all the previous films were supposed to be a continuation of each other in a sliding timeline basically like comics. But Casino Royale was a ground up reboot Bond on his 1st mission as a Double O, yet Judi Dench is M and it's not a prequel because she was the new M under Pierce.

Again, they're going to cherry pick what actors they want to keep but I wouldn't count anything Pre Gunn as Canon to the new DCU unless pacifically said to be going forward.

Ya I agree with pretty much all of this.

I am looking forward to Flash no matter what.

[Frontier]

I think Gunn wamts a comic accurate Diana with a Greek actress.

I don't know if they'll be that strict about it because I don't think they're going to cast just Greeks for the entire Amazons even if logically they would have to.

Perfect.
Though some hardcore WW fans have said something about Amazons not being Greek or what not. That's them though.

It depends which interpretation of the Amazons they go with.

[Holt]

Also even with certain actors are returning, how many movies being removed from the canon does it take to declare a new universe? Because a rebooted Superman and Batman at the very least means Man of Steel, and Batman v Superman no longer happened, and it’s very likely that’s true of both cuts of Justice League too. Those were very much intended to be the centerpiece/backbone of the DCEU and introduced much of its lore, so removing those already changes things fairly drastically, even with characters like Waller and Harley Quinn returning.