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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzerox21xx View Post
    Eddie now wanting to Eat Spider-man brains regression, you think it's part of the corruption of Limbo and Maddie because it seems to be undoing the development of both Cates and Ewing. The original Venom symbiote is not even with Eddie anymore, its with Dlyan.
    but its still eddie memory she mess up and im pretty sure eddie still wanted to kill Peter back in the day unless you are saying that was all symbiote
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    This reminds me of Scott Snyder being forced to write Harley as a villain during Death of the Family over in the Bat Books

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_Of_X View Post
    Inferno hype in 2k22, you love to see it!

    For those following along thru the board, the letters page lays out the general structure of the crossover. Altogether it's 18 issues.

    After this alpha issue, the character stories splinter out in this way:

    The Chasm\Spider-Man story will happen in ASM #15-18
    Goblin Queen\X-Men duke it out in Dark Web: X-Men #1-3
    Venom features in ASM #15-16, then Venom #14-16
    Kamala appears in ASM #15, then saunters into Dark Web: Ms. Marvel #1-2
    Norman stuff happens in Gold Goblin #2-3
    Finally Black Cat\Mary Jane's 5 issue mini ties into the event for the first two issues.

    Then we close with Dawn in February. That's all, folks!
    It seems like the third issue of BC/MJ is still a tie-in judging from solicits.
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    This reminds me of Scott Snyder being forced to write Harley as a villain during Death of the Family over in the Bat Books
    She wasn't really a hero back then either since it was early New 52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzerox21xx View Post
    Eddie now wanting to Eat Spider-man brains regression, you think it's part of the corruption of Limbo and Maddie because it seems to be undoing the development of both Cates and Ewing. The original Venom symbiote is not even with Eddie anymore, its with Dlyan.
    How is that even possible? Eddie is the King in Black, opposite of Captain Universe who is the God of Light. Limbo shouldn't have any effect on him, if anything he should be influencing Limbo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainUniverse View Post
    How is that even possible? Eddie is the King in Black, opposite of Captain Universe who is the God of Light. Limbo shouldn't have any effect on him, if anything he should be influencing Limbo.
    Because they basically want to craft the most forced story imaginable that relies on a combination of nostalgia that characters have long grown past and just plain writing characters OOC. Hell, they even made the same reference with Ben’s nightmare that they did with Maddie back in the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    Because they basically want to craft the most forced story imaginable that relies on a combination of nostalgia that characters have long grown past and just plain writing characters OOC. Hell, they even made the same reference with Ben’s nightmare that they did with Maddie back in the day.
    That blows, really, really blows. All of Eddies character development, the lore of the symbiotes and their opposite, brushed aside so Wells can pretend to write Inferno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainUniverse View Post
    That blows, really, really blows. All of Eddies character development, the lore of the symbiotes and their opposite, brushed aside so Wells can pretend to write Inferno.
    And really, why does Eddie even need to be here in the first place? They seem so Hell bent on turning Ben into the new Venom, what place could Eddie possibly have in this story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    And really, why does Eddie even need to be here in the first place? They seem so Hell bent on turning Ben into the new Venom, what place could Eddie possibly have in this story?
    it literally says he wants to reunite with Dylan his son
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    And really, why does Eddie even need to be here in the first place? They seem so Hell bent on turning Ben into the new Venom, what place could Eddie possibly have in this story?
    None, he should be searching for ways to save Dylan from his fate by well...the smartest course of action would be to draw the attention of his opposite, The Enigma Force, or maybe find Immortus to uncover the secrets of altering one's fate like Kang once did by splitting the two of them into two separate unique beings.
    Last edited by CaptainUniverse; 12-07-2022 at 09:49 AM.
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    Shockingly thought this was fine for the most part.

    Well, the Venom stuff is stupid and regressive, even with the explainer, but not the character assassination I was expecting and fearing based on these comments
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainUniverse View Post
    None, he should be searching for ways to save Dylan from his fate by well...the smartest course of action would be to draw the attention of his opposite, The Enigma Force, or maybe find Immortus to uncover the secrets of altering one's fate like Kang once did by splitting the two of them into two separate unique beings.
    The Enigma force isn't *his* opposite, it's Knull's opposite. Eddie might be the second King in Black, but he's not Knull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainUniverse View Post
    That blows, really, really blows. All of Eddies character development, the lore of the symbiotes and their opposite, brushed aside so Wells can pretend to write Inferno.
    The focus in this forum is on Eddie, but Wells did the exact same thing to Maddie. He wiped away all the character growth she had in New Mutants and basically ignored Vita Ayala's run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    The Enigma force isn't *his* opposite, it's Knull's opposite. Eddie might be the second King in Black, but he's not Knull.
    I don't see how that's any different. Eddie is now a being of living darkness, the same darkness that Knull was. The Enigma Force is the light that comes to banish that darkness away when it grows too powerful. And besides, if it isn't his opposite then who is going to take The Enigma Force's place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman27 View Post
    it literally says he wants to reunite with Dylan his son
    And that requires Maddie and Limbo how exactly? The premise that he’s there in the first place is contrived. He’s literally only there asking for help because they wanted to set him up to be here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainUniverse View Post
    I don't see how that's any different. Eddie is now a being of living darkness, the same darkness that Knull was. The Enigma Force is the light that comes to banish that darkness away when it grows too powerful. And besides, if it isn't his opposite then who is going to take The Enigma Force's place?
    Eddy isn't made of or born from primordial darkness, nor is there any indication he's done anymore than inherited control of the symbioses from it after being proclaimed KiB. His title and powers all stem from the Klyntar and their hive. As for the Enigma Force, why does anything need to take its place?

    It feels to me like you're making a lot of assumptions that aren't textually supported yet. Not impossible but I don't see anything suggesting that Eddy and the Enigma Force are now opposites.

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