When did the tables turn on comic book cinematic connected universes?

[Fridays]

10 years ago, it was the most awesome thing ever. No one was supposed to care or like the earlier comic book films that was not part of a cinematic universe. MCU and DCU were meant to be the lasting futures of how to do comic book films. Superhero films like Spiderman 2002, Superman 78. Batman Begins, X-Men 2000 were now all dated and were meant to only make sense if they were part of the larger comic universe and if the movie did a set up to something bigger.

Looks like the language has changed and the course has reversed. It is now cool again to love these stand alone comic films again and dislike the connected comic book movies from MUC and DCU.

Why has the stand alone comic book movies both from marvel and DC stood a better test of time than the movies that are part of a cinematic universe.

[the illustrious mr. kenway]

Around phase 2 or 3 but that's on the filmmaking side.

[Kirby101]

I don't accept your premise. So no need to discuss why.

[thwhtGuardian]

I don't accept your premise. So no need to discuss why.

Yeah, the idea of a connected universe still seems pretty popular

[Jack The Tripper]

I certainly don’t think the tables have turned on them, I just think that criticisms are louder than ever due to A) Marvel’s overwhelming/unprecedented success, and B) most other companies’ shallow attempts at creating cinematic universes out of nothing.

On the flip side, stand-alone comic book universes have been received well in cases like The Batman, Joker, and Spider-Verse probably partly because they’re so different, but also because they are arguably the two most popular superhero franchises, and therefore don’t face a lot of pressure in releasing stand alone content

[Will Evans]

10 years ago, it was the most awesome thing ever. No one was supposed to care or like the earlier comic book films that was not part of a cinematic universe. MCU and DCU were meant to be the lasting futures of how to do comic book films. Superhero films like Spiderman 2002, Superman 78. Batman Begins, X-Men 2000 were now all dated and were meant to only make sense if they were part of the larger comic universe and if the movie did a set up to something bigger.

Looks like the language has changed and the course has reversed. It is now cool again to love these stand alone comic films again and dislike the connected comic book movies from MUC and DCU.

Why has the stand alone comic book movies both from marvel and DC stood a better test of time than the movies that are part of a cinematic universe.

Maybe when they started introducing alternate realities in them.

[Captain Craig]

I don't accept your premise. So no need to discuss why.

I third this.
Your premise is flawed.
All that has occurred is that the standalone pre-MCU films are now, through corporate synergy(or buyout), considered interconnected. Thus allowing fans to in some sense re-discover those films.
This has only, thus far, enriched the interconnected MCU films. The success of Spider-man: No Way Home illustrates this perfectly.

[Brian B]

10 years ago, it was the most awesome thing ever. No one was supposed to care or like the earlier comic book films that was not part of a cinematic universe. MCU and DCU were meant to be the lasting futures of how to do comic book films. Superhero films like Spiderman 2002, Superman 78. Batman Begins, X-Men 2000 were now all dated and were meant to only make sense if they were part of the larger comic universe and if the movie did a set up to something bigger.

Looks like the language has changed and the course has reversed. It is now cool again to love these stand alone comic films again and dislike the connected comic book movies from MUC and DCU.

Why has the stand alone comic book movies both from marvel and DC stood a better test of time than the movies that are part of a cinematic universe.

It hasn’t changed at all. This is the second topic you started which postulates a problem where none exists.

First it was Marvel CU needs to reboot, when no one in their audience is asking for any such thing and the financial results show no need to fix anything.

BTW, your claim that Marvel needs a reboot — supported by nothing — directly contradicts that shared fictional universes are no longer the hot item.

Now, shared fictional universes are out, you claim, but you offer no evidence, not even a proper critique for such a claim.

Also, the idea that shared universes are on the outs is supported by nothing happening with the movie studios.

Every statement DC Studios has made since creative head Gunn has taken charge indicates DC movies going forward will be MORE interconnected in a fictional universe, not less. This is viewed by industry watchers as necessary for DC to make money for WB Discovery.

Marvel’s properties are also more intertwined than ever, with even their streaming shows now directly connected with their Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Shared universes are a bigger thing than ever. It’s even happening outside of comic properties to other fantasy movies. As for why it’s happening — money. Marvel has shown it can be very profitable to have your characters in a fictional universe together.

Quite frankly, you’re just wrong.

[babyblob]

Look another "I dont like it so there has to be a problem and Marvel needs to stop making movies." threads?

[Fridays]

Maybe when they started introducing alternate realities in them.

Sigh....the flash is hardly out and it has alternate realties of Ben Affleck and Michael Keanton Batman and with the Ezra Miller situation. I fear for this movie and the potential negative backlash

On a bigger scale the alternate realities mostly with MCU did do a lot of damage. for example, Andrew Garfield is proven by Spiderman own myth and his fans that he was the best actor to play the role. this only became a credible theory when he showed up in NWH.

Other fans for instance don't appreciate Xavier dying many times after Logan in Multerverse of Madness.

The list goes on.

No wonder DC fans don't want Phoenix Joker or Matt Reeves Batman getting into the alternate reality mess.

However on the largest biggest scale the reason could also be, many people now are much older. they have become grown ups and see the cinematic universe as a gimmick while finding a new appreciation for the older superhero films that did care about fill making and relies less on gimmicks.

[Fridays]

It hasn’t changed at all. This is the second topic you started which postulates a problem where none exists.

First it was Marvel CU needs to reboot, when no one in their audience is asking for any such thing and the financial results show no need to fix anything.

BTW, your claim that Marvel needs a reboot — supported by nothing — directly contradicts that shared fictional universes are no longer the hot item.

Now, shared fictional universes are out, you claim, but you offer no evidence, not even a proper critique for such a claim.

Also, the idea that shared universes are on the outs is supported by nothing happening with the movie studios.

Every statement DC Studios has made since creative head Gunn has taken charge indicates DC movies going forward will be MORE interconnected in a fictional universe, not less. This is viewed by industry watchers as necessary for DC to make money for WB Discovery.

Marvel’s properties are also more intertwined than ever, with even their streaming shows now directly connected with their Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Shared universes are a bigger thing than ever. It’s even happening outside of comic properties to other fantasy movies. As for why it’s happening — money. Marvel has shown it can be very profitable to have your characters in a fictional universe together.

Quite frankly, you’re just wrong.

Phase 4 is giving too much away that marvel has become a bit desperate, they should stop with the desperation and reboot.

The shared universe is not offering anything exciting even the little x-men references we now see in the MCU is more cringe than wow. how many people rolled their eyes when we heard hugh jackman is coming back. that did not excite anyone.

DC seems to have spotted the issue that cinematic universes are no longer a hot commodity. Gunn is likely going to dis-ensemble the DCEU.

[the illustrious mr. kenway]

10 years ago, it was the most awesome thing ever. No one was supposed to care or like the earlier comic book films that was not part of a cinematic universe. MCU and DCU were meant to be the lasting futures of how to do comic book films. Superhero films like Spiderman 2002, Superman 78. Batman Begins, X-Men 2000 were now all dated and were meant to only make sense if they were part of the larger comic universe and if the movie did a set up to something bigger.

Looks like the language has changed and the course has reversed. It is now cool again to love these stand alone comic films again and dislike the connected comic book movies from MUC and DCU.

Why has the stand alone comic book movies both from marvel and DC stood a better test of time than the movies that are part of a cinematic universe.

I think the novelty of a shared universe has weared off over the years. Every story type does this when you see too much of it. That's how cliches start.

[Noodle]

how many people rolled their eyes when we heard hugh jackman is coming back. that did not excite anyone.

Which multiverse world are you living on?

[basbash99]

Count me as another who doesn't accept the premise of the thread, which, as others have noted is not supported by any evidence or argument.

If anything it seems like we've moved beyond one connected universe and on to connecting different comic book cinematic universes together - No Way Home, marvel introducing the multiverse and alternate timelines, upcoming Flash doing the same. Although i do think this approach does have its limits- you really need actors from earlier movies that fans are eager to see in order for it to work, or have a fan-casting gimmick like Evan Peters or Hayley Atwell

[Brian B]

Look another "I dont like it so there has to be a problem and Marvel needs to stop making movies." threads?

It sure smells like that’s what this attempt to start a thread is, doesn’t it?

Why don’t people just start threads called, “I hate Marvel because X,” fill in the “X” with whatever your personal bugaboo is. It would be much more intellectually honest as well as being so much easier to support with arguments, instead of making up problems that don’t exist, supported by no facts at all.