James Gunn's Superman Coming In 2025

[The Frog Bros]

Put him in a jeans and tshirt..shut em all up.

Heh, that would be awesome and a lot of people here would rejoice (myself included). Too bad that'll never happen. However, I don't see why they can't at least show it during a montage of young Clark in Metropolis or a flashback or something. That would be a good way to work it in without making it the look for the whole movie.

As for the boxer briefs kinda look, I really liked Allred's Space Age version.

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[Frontier]

Once they actually started putting out trunkless suits I think it surged into the public consciousness because of how it was one of the many things people grabbed onto as to why MoS proved divisive (the others being the killing, no Williams theme, and the Kents portrayal). Far as I’m concerned the trunks purists lost once the Reborn suit came out. That showed a trunkless Superman suit works just fine.

Feels like the trunks have been coming back in vogue lately.

[OpaqueGiraffe17]

Superman wearing trunks in the comics because a bunch of other heroes do too. No one else wears them in the movies, so if he does it’ll be absurd. look at how happy everyone is to see Hugh Jackman finally wear yellow and blue. Is he wearing those blue trunks from the classic comics? Nope. If fans can be ecstatic about that, they can be satisfied with Superman making the same design choice as everyone else.

[Jim Kelly]

Some might think that they've cracked the trunkless look, but I don't feel that they have as yet. I do believe there is one design that would work and, with enough time and money, I could design it myself--but they don't pay me the big bucks. Not that I ever saw anything wrong with the trunks design--to me it's perfect, so I'd like a trunkless design that's also as perfect. They cracked it with Hal Jordan. I never saw anything wrong with his olympic wrestling togs design, either, but the alteration (removing coverage from his groin area) works just as well. So I think they should be able to design something just as good for Superman and I'm surprised that they still haven't.

[manwhohaseverything]

Heh, that would be awesome and a lot of people here would rejoice (myself included). Too bad that'll never happen. However, I don't see why they can't at least show it during a montage of young Clark in Metropolis or a flashback or something. That would be a good way to work it in without making it the look for the whole movie.

As for the boxer briefs kinda look, I really liked Allred's Space Age version.

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Meh! Not interested in montage.Either the character appears with essense.Or not at all.It's alright really.They do what they want and make their take on the character.I get my "champion" kick elsewhere.I was just passing time.

[Vordan]

Fortress of Solitude confirmed!



King gave notes on the Legacy script. Tom King fans can rejoice and Tom King haters can howl.

[Frontier]

I would've been surprised if the Fortress wasn't in the movie.

[Prime]

I would've been surprised if the Fortress wasn't in the movie.

To be fair we haven’t seen it in a while.

[Vordan]

Supergirl will be in Legacy (Rumor)

[Vordan]

https://x.com/thwipt_/status/1740107...487sLx_4UoiJsQ

DC is also working on a potential exclusive imax run for Superman Legacy (like Oppenheimer and Dune 2 have) meaning Thunderbolts wouldn’t get a major imax release if it sticks to that July 2025 date

Gunn coming out swinging lol. If true maybe Feige will be the one to blink this time, last time it was DC that blinked via moving BvS.

[daBronzeBomma]

Thoughts on everything about #SupermanLegacy so far.

No actual spoilers, but we're covering a *lot*!


1. Hard to verbalize exactly how I feel about Superman Legacy, but a few adjectives do come to mind: excited, anxious, and invested.

Excited because Superman is and has been my favorite fictional character since I was 7 (shout out to #superfriends) so I want to see him on the big screen again as the unquestioned focus of a great film.

Anxious because there is so much riding on the success of this movie, it's such a toss up right now, and dreading what if it is both critically bad AND commercially flops? Yikes.

Invested because ... maybe, just maybe we'll finally get the first truly great Superman movie since the 1978 movie.


2. Let's start with the one who has the most to gain and lose depending on this movie's success: James Gunn.

He is both The Writer AND The Director of Superman Legacy.

Not even the great Richard Donner thought he could do both BTS roles for his Superman movie.

I'll say this much for Gunn: Superman Legacy is 100% HIS baby and he owns it.

If it's great, then he'll get most of the credit ... but if it's bad, then he'll get most of the blame. If it's "mid", then everyone will get a piece of the reaction including him.

But he does seem fully invested in this one movie so far, so, here's hoping ...


3. David Corenswet is Live-Action Clark Kent The Fifteenth.

I know almost nothing about this actor, (other than that he's 6'4" tall, just turned 30, Jewish, went to Juilliard, looks like a younger blend of Henry Cavill and Tom Welling, and first mentioned that Superman was his dream role back in a 2019 interview).

I've never seen anything in which he's acted.

But he's at least the right level of anonymity for a Superman actor.


4. Rachel Brosnahan is Live-Action Lois Lane The Eleventh.

I've only seen clips of her in the Marvelous Mrs Maisel.

But that was enough.

She's as ideal an actress as there is out there to play The World's Greatest Journalist.

Plus, I like Rachel's height (5'3") and her slightly more experienced age (33 years) to play off the differences with Corenswet.


5. Nicholas Hoult is Live-Action Lex Luthor The Eleventh.

The man lost out on playing Bruce Wayne to Robert Pattinson in The Batman and then he loses out on playing Clark Kent to David Corenswet in Superman Legacy.

So it's kinda fitting then that he does play the villain often between those two heroes. Let any IRL resentment inform the performance.

I just hope Lex ISN'T the big bad of Legacy, and more of a supporting cast member to be used in multiple DCU films.

Also, at 6'3" and 34 years old, Hoult will be the closest any Live-Action Lex has gotten to their Superman in both height and age.


6. Sara Sampaio is Eve Teschmacher and Skyler Gisondo is Jimmy Olsen.

No opinion yet on Sara as Eve (other than why choose this Donner character over the better IMO character Mercy Graves as the Luthor Gal Friday of choice).

Skyler as Jimmy seems like a very deliberate comics-accurate pick (even if he's basically the same age as Corenswet), a move away from the recent colorblind Olsen casting choices of the CW's Supergirl and Adult Swim's My Adventures With Superman.


7. The other casting choices for the larger DCU in this film are mostly meh at this point.

Nothing against those particular actors (Nathan Fillion as Green Lantern Guy Gardner instead of Hal Jordan is a notable swerve), but in a Superman film, I'm way more interested in the actual Superverse characters.

I'm still hoping that John Henry Irons, Kara Zor-El, Krypto, Perry White, Lana Lang, Jonathan and Martha Kent, Cat Grant, and even Bibbo all somehow show up in Legacy.


8. The primary inspirational source material choices revealed for Superman Legacy are so far top-notch.

Gunn has explicitly said that his primary source material inspirations will be "All-Star Superman" by Grant Morrison and "Superman For All Seasons" by Jeph Loeb.

Those are two of the consensus best Superman stories around for digging into what makes Clark tick.

Gunn is not directly adapting either story AFAIK, more likely taking cues from select parts and overall tones for the script.


9. Give me Brainiac.

One of the biggest and most legitimate criticisms about the big-screen editions of Superman is that they keep recycling Luthor and/or Zod over and over again.

Syfy's short-lived Krypton TV show gave us a taste of Brainiac finally done right. Imagine that kind of craftsmanship applied to Brainiac on the big screen fighting Superman? Could be epic.

Just not sure who would best play this villain aka Vril Drox aka Milton Fine?


10. The money is a big question mark on all fronts for Superman Legacy.

What'll its production budget be ?

What'll its domestic marketing budget be ?

What's their expectation for domestic opening weekend?

What's their expectation for both domestic and worldwide final grosses?

Warner is kinda betting a lot of the house on Legacy's success here, so their math better end up mathing.


11. What's the new costume going to look like?

Trunks, no trunks, or some compromise around the midsection?

Are we finally getting the golden S-shield back on the red cape?

Will the overall fabric revert to looking more spandexy like Reeve's, or stay more stylized like Cavill's?


12. The music is a big one: go back to re-using John Williams' score or do something new?

I'm going to zag here and hope they do something new.

The Williams' score remains fantastic, but it is SO identified with the Donner/Reeve incarnation that IMO using it keeps newer Superman projects that use it in that version's shadow.

I love Hans Zimmer's MOS score just as much as John Williams S:TM score. Both fit Supes extremely well but in very different ways.

In fact, the best Superman score I've ever heard is a Williams/Zimmer Mashup somewhere on YouTube that captures the best of both worlds.


13. For the love of God, please drop the "Space Jesus" angle for Superman Legacy.

Richard Donner injected this aspect into the franchise with Jor-El's monologue in STM. Then Bryan Singer added to it in SR. Then Zack Snyder tacked on more Christ-like imagery in MOS.

And none of it has helped the character at all IMO.

If James Gunn must draw from the Bible, there's Moses (for the origin) and Samson (for the superhuman strength with a specific weakness), two interesting yet flawed heroes that the Jewish Superman creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster actually used when creating Clark back in the 1930s.


Bottom line: I don't know that I can be fully rational about Superman Legacy.

I do know that I am going to following its progress like a hawk over the next 1.5 years.

Right up until its scheduled opening night on Fri 11-Jul-2025, when I hope to have reserved a good seat in my local theater.


Current Level of Excitement: 8/10
Current Level of Anxiety: 9/10
Current Level of Investment: 10/10

[Jeffrey2]

Thoughts on everything about #SupermanLegacy so far.

No actual spoilers, but we're covering a *lot*!


1. Hard to verbalize exactly how I feel about Superman Legacy, but a few adjectives do come to mind: excited, anxious, and invested.
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Excited because Superman is and has been my favorite fictional character since I was 7 (shout out to #superfriends) so I want to see him on the big screen again as the unquestioned focus of a great film.

Anxious because there is so much riding on the success of this movie, it's such a toss up right now, and dreading what if it is both critically bad AND commercially flops? Yikes.

Invested because ... maybe, just maybe we'll finally get the first truly great Superman movie since the 1978 movie.




Current Level of Excitement: 8/10
Current Level of Anxiety: 9/10
Current Level of Investment: 10/10

Great post. I'll start by replying to the first item and the line that stands out: so I want to see him on the big screen again as the unquestioned focus of a great film.

Legacy's problem and why my anxiety is 9.0 like yours is that Superman will not be the unquestioned focus of the film. There will be 5, 6 or 7 other heroes and Supergirl. Unlike Superman most have not been seen on film before giving them a potential anticipatory advantage over Superman. Gunn confirmed these characters will not just be cameo appearances. So how many scenes/how much screentime will they get? Their stories will need some explication and that takes time and focus off of Clark/Supes. Gunn is most excited about seeing Plastic Man. He'd not a Superman fan but is a fan of second tier characters. Whether intentional or not will Gunn give the other heroes better lines? To the detriment of Clark/Superman? Gunn's DCU will focus on second-tier characters. Superman may well play a minimal role - rumored upcoming films into Chapter 2 don't include another Superman project.

Superman as a film franchise is struggling and has been for decades. The last two solo films were BO disappointments and did not help the character's popularity. To revitalize Superman, one needs to do a Superman film featuring him and his family of characters. Similar to what they are doing with Batman and Brave and Bold. Despite what most on this board thinks Legacy is not a Superman film - it is a DCU showcase film featuring Superman. That will not help Superman regain popularity and may outright backfire if audiences fall in love with these other characters and are meh when it comes to Corenswet's Clark/Superman. It happened with BvS. Audiences loved W/Gal and Batman/Ben but were not impressed with Superman/Cavill. Check out the reviews.

If Superman Legacy is a financial disappointment Superman will get the blame. Not Plastic Man, not Supergirl. Speaking of whom my fear is Supergirl gets a significant amount of screentime to set up her solo (true solo) and steals her scenes from Clark/Superman. She is described as edgy but with a sense of humor. Clark is described as a galoot. Audiences will go for edgy over galoot. So yeah, anxiety is high.

[Primal Slayer]

Great post. I'll start by replying to the first item and the line that stands out: so I want to see him on the big screen again as the unquestioned focus of a great film.

Legacy's problem and why my anxiety is 9.0 like yours is that Superman will not be the unquestioned focus of the film. There will be 5, 6 or 7 other heroes and Supergirl. Unlike Superman most have not been seen on film before giving them a potential anticipatory advantage over Superman. Gunn confirmed these characters will not just be cameo appearances. So how many scenes/how much screentime will they get? Their stories will need some explication and that takes time and focus off of Clark/Supes. Gunn is most excited about seeing Plastic Man. He'd not a Superman fan but is a fan of second tier characters. Whether intentional or not will Gunn give the other heroes better lines? To the detriment of Clark/Superman? Gunn's DCU will focus on second-tier characters. Superman may well play a minimal role - rumored upcoming films into Chapter 2 don't include another Superman project.

Superman as a film franchise is struggling and has been for decades. The last two solo films were BO disappointments and did not help the character's popularity. To revitalize Superman, one needs to do a Superman film featuring him and his family of characters. Similar to what they are doing with Batman and Brave and Bold. Despite what most on this board thinks Legacy is not a Superman film - it is a DCU showcase film featuring Superman. That will not help Superman regain popularity and may outright backfire if audiences fall in love with these other characters and are meh when it comes to Corenswet's Clark/Superman. It happened with BvS. Audiences loved W/Gal and Batman/Ben but were not impressed with Superman/Cavill. Check out the reviews.

If Superman legacy is a major financial disappointment Superman will get the blame. Not Plastic Man, not Supergirl. Speaking of whom my fear is Supergirl gets a significant amount of screentime to set up her solo (true solo) and steals her scenes from Clark/Superman. She is described as edgy but with a sense of humor. Clark is described as a galoot. Audiences will go for edgy over galoot. So yeah, anxiety is high.

Superman has had 6 films that feature him and his family of characters. It isnt as if the character has lacked films of not being the sole superhero.

This will be at minimum a 2hr film where these other characters will likely get 10-20min of screentime which leaves 1hr40min minimum of it being Superman and his supporting characters. Nathan Fillion has never done a Gunn movie where he dominates in screen time. GotG 3 he got like 5-10min. TSS he got like 5 min. This will be no different.

Supergirl has had 1 film and 1 tv show. She is stealing nothing from Superman who has had 6 solo films. 5 tv shows.

[Vordan]

We’ll be waiting until March for the costume reveal

[Frontier]

We’ll be waiting until March for the costume reveal

Unless it leaks, though maybe it'll go by fast .