Mary Jane Watson-Parker Appreciation 2023

[Ursalink]

Interesting point there, even if I'd argue Janine/Elizabeth, by virtue of having a more established traumatic backstory in comparison to Venom, whose own backstory wasn't fully explored until they were getting ready to spin him off into a series of miniseries, is somewhat more sympathetic compared to early Venom. Not to mention, she doesn't really see herself as the hero of the story, just someone tired of being a helpless victim in a world that's been near-consistently unkind to her. Funny enough, she and MJ do have one major thing in common aside from being redheads in love with Spider-Men; they were both abused by their own fathers, though Janine's father took it to a darker place than MJ's father did, ultimately resulting in his violent (and arguably deserved) death upon the last time he thought to abuse his own daughter like that.

There are other things that could come up from Janice and her masks.

- "Timeless #1 (2022)": The scene of a mysterious red-haired woman wearing a Spider-Man's costume and a white-haired woman wearing a Black Panther's suit. It might be Mary Jane and Felicia wearing two of Janice's masks, one of Spider-Man and one of Black Panther.

- Mary Jane wearing a Janice's mask of Felicia as the Black Cat.

[Kevinroc]

There are other things that could come up from Janice and her masks.

- "Timeless #1 (2022)": The scene of a mysterious red-haired woman wearing a Spider-Man's costume and a white-haired woman wearing a Black Panther's suit. It might be Mary Jane and Felicia wearing two of Janice's masks, one of Spider-Man and one of Black Panther.

- Mary Jane wearing a Janice's mask of Felicia as the Black Cat.

Janice is The Beetle, daughter of Tombstone and fiancée of Randy Robertson. Janine is Hallows Eve, she that wears masks to transform, and girlfriend to Ben Reilly.

[Ursalink]

Janice is The Beetle, daughter of Tombstone and fiancée of Randy Robertson. Janine is Hallows Eve, she that wears masks to transform, and girlfriend to Ben Reilly.

Typewriting error, OK? Either way, you get what I meant.

[TinkerSpider]

Why the Hell do second printings have variant covers now?

So Marvel can sell the exact same product to exact same customer over and over again by changing only one thing (Reminder: Marvel is charging $9.99 for this).

Think about it: they aren't commissioning a new story. They don't have to pay the artists or the writer. Their only costs are the cover and the printing. And yet they are selling the issue at the same price point as the first printing.

Marvel is banking on speculators and collectors to buy this, just as they do with variant covers. A second printing is a variant in many ways; it's aimed at the completionist collector who might have FOMO because this cover isn't in their collection. It's not aimed at readers at all. Marvel is trying to make more money by exploiting the speculator market instead of trying to create new readers. And that's the same tactic that caused the entire comics market to crash in the 90s...

This isn't even a real second printing, as the book hasn't been released yet and should have still been in route/at the printer when the second printing was announced. If retailers had increased their orders, then Marvel could have easily printed more of the first printing. This was only done to drive PR (second printings get press releases these days) and to drive the false impression ASM 31 is popular and in demand when the book was weeks from hitting the shelves.

This article suggests spring sales were weak (it's not the only article to come out recently suggesting demand for superhero comics, especially Marvel, is waning) with a retailer outright calling them on this: "They’re just trying to maximize the amount of money that they’re getting from the people who are already buying comics, which worked for a little while, but then it stopped working because people can smell sincerity."

Also, the costume looks better in this variant but it's still a cliched, unoriginal 3rd rate riverboat casino dealer uniform.

[clonegeek]

So Marvel can sell the exact same product to exact same customer over and over again by changing only one thing (Reminder: Marvel is charging $9.99 for this).

Think about it: they aren't commissioning a new story. They don't have to pay the artists or the writer. Their only costs are the cover and the printing. And yet they are selling the issue at the same price point as the first printing.

Marvel is banking on speculators and collectors to buy this, just as they do with variant covers. A second printing is a variant in many ways; it's aimed at the completionist collector who might have FOMO because this cover isn't in their collection. It's not aimed at readers at all. Marvel is trying to make more money by exploiting the speculator market instead of trying to create new readers. And that's the same tactic that caused the entire comics market to crash in the 90s...

This isn't even a real second printing, as the book hasn't been released yet and should have still been in route/at the printer when the second printing was announced. If retailers had increased their orders, then Marvel could have easily printed more of the first printing. This was only done to drive PR (second printings get press releases these days) and to drive the false impression ASM 31 is popular and in demand when the book was weeks from hitting the shelves.

This article suggests spring sales were weak (it's not the only article to come out recently suggesting demand for superhero comics, especially Marvel, is waning) with a retailer outright calling them on this: "They’re just trying to maximize the amount of money that they’re getting from the people who are already buying comics, which worked for a little while, but then it stopped working because people can smell sincerity."

Also, the costume looks better in this variant but it's still a cliched, unoriginal 3rd rate riverboat casino dealer uniform.

Did Marvel learn anything from the 90s?

[Rzerox21xx]

I wonder if Marvel editorial regret and use COVID as a excuse to sabotage Amazing Mary Jane which is while it was cancel, anyone had that feeling.

[Knightsilver]

So Marvel can sell the exact same product to exact same customer over and over again by changing only one thing (Reminder: Marvel is charging $9.99 for this).

Think about it: they aren't commissioning a new story. They don't have to pay the artists or the writer. Their only costs are the cover and the printing. And yet they are selling the issue at the same price point as the first printing.

Marvel is banking on speculators and collectors to buy this, just as they do with variant covers. A second printing is a variant in many ways; it's aimed at the completionist collector who might have FOMO because this cover isn't in their collection. It's not aimed at readers at all. Marvel is trying to make more money by exploiting the speculator market instead of trying to create new readers. And that's the same tactic that caused the entire comics market to crash in the 90s...

This isn't even a real second printing, as the book hasn't been released yet and should have still been in route/at the printer when the second printing was announced. If retailers had increased their orders, then Marvel could have easily printed more of the first printing. This was only done to drive PR (second printings get press releases these days) and to drive the false impression ASM 31 is popular and in demand when the book was weeks from hitting the shelves.

This article suggests spring sales were weak (it's not the only article to come out recently suggesting demand for superhero comics, especially Marvel, is waning) with a retailer outright calling them on this: "They’re just trying to maximize the amount of money that they’re getting from the people who are already buying comics, which worked for a little while, but then it stopped working because people can smell sincerity."

Also, the costume looks better in this variant but it's still a cliched, unoriginal 3rd rate riverboat casino dealer uniform.

This kind of reminds me of the beginning of BND. They suddenly started putting the book out 3 times a month after their controversial reboot(which is what OMD was whatever they claim otherwise). The only reason for that would be to cover any potential loss of readers.

[Jman27]

I wonder if Marvel editorial regret and use COVID as a excuse to sabotage Amazing Mary Jane which is while it was cancel, anyone had that feeling.

i dont understand what you mean

[Huntsman Spider]

I wonder if Marvel editorial regret and use COVID as a excuse to sabotage Amazing Mary Jane which is while it was cancel, anyone had that feeling.

i dont understand what you mean

It was just starting its second arc with issue 6 when it was suddenly canceled. In retrospect, that did seem awfully suspect.

[MaydayStan]

It was just starting its second arc with issue 6 when it was suddenly canceled. In retrospect, that did seem awfully suspect.

With three issues solicited and covers already drawn.

[Frontier]

I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened in Montana or what Leah Williams' endgame for the series was (if there was one).

I mean, she's not at Marvel any more so maybe she can say...?

[MaydayStan]

I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened in Montana or what Leah Williams' endgame for the series was (if there was one).

I mean, she's not at Marvel any more so maybe she can say...?

Possibly? Anyone tried Tweeting her about it?

[Digifiend]

It was just starting its second arc with issue 6 when it was suddenly canceled. In retrospect, that did seem awfully suspect.

A lot of books were cancelled due to COVID. Empyre lost about half of it's tie-ins. New Warriors from the Outlawed event was also cancelled. I'm sure there was more Outlawed stuff that just never got announced too. Wasn't a Punisher mini also axed? Gwen Stacy got finished much later as a one-shot, while one Empyre tie-in, The Union, was repurposed for King in Black.

[Green Symbiote]

And a GOOD story can show how the ABSCENCE of a relationship can impact the hero. And if I had better faith in Marvel and Wells right now, I'd say that's what's happening. That Peter is struggling and sucking at being Spider-Man so much lately, so off his game, because he's incomplete without the person that always picked him back up, supported him, and pushed him to be a better person and a better hero. That Mary Jane is so awful right now because she spent so long without Peter in her life similarly pushing her to follow her dreams, supporting her career choices, and respecting her agency. That a good story would show how they are so much LESSER apart, and that's why they SHOULD get back together. That when they ultimately do, the missing puzzle pieces in their lives fit back into place, and they're both back to being stronger and better TOGETHER.

Silver lining, the current status quo is a perfect setup for a story like the above to be told. Both have fallen so far that a story of them realizing it and getting back together to help each other regain where they were before, and maybe better, becomes even more powerful.

But who are we kidding, it’s Marvel we’re talking about 😑

[rward777]

Silver lining, the current status quo is a perfect setup for a story like the above to be told. Both have fallen so far that a story of them realizing it and getting back together to help each other regain where they were before, and maybe better, becomes even more powerful.

But who are we kidding, it’s Marvel we’re talking about ��

Or she could lean on Paul