Black Cat/Felicia Hardy Appreciation 2023

[Kevinroc]

You know Peter loved and loves Felicia right? She’s not some random girl
Yes, Peter and MJ has a lot of history but Peter accepted to go to the spa with Felicia and didn’t want to be there when he encountered MJ
And Peter isn’t asking Felicia to put anything lol, some said what Felicia says was something that even MJ could say so what’s the problem then? The marriage was like less than 10 issues after Peter and Felicia broke up, is that a rebound too?

We know Felicia has a red wig.



With how pathetic she comes across, she is absolutely wearing this for Peter.

[spiderlink]

We know Felicia has a red wig.



With how pathetic she comes across, she is absolutely wearing this for Peter.

Idk?
Peter don’t give me that kind of vibes
But we know Paul model some boxers to MJ so maybe they are that kind of couple

[Kevinroc]

Idk?
Peter don’t give me that kind of vibes
But we know Paul model some boxers to MJ so maybe they are that kind of couple

Peter is so pathetic in this run that I wonder how much self-worth Felicia has being his rebound girl.

[Jman27]

Do you want Felicia to come across as so pathetic that it's easy to picture her wearing a red wig and not being mad when Peter moans out MJ's name when they're having sex?

Who is this pathetic person? Is this what you want for Peter x Felicia?

what exactly did she do that was pathetic in your eyes in this issue?

[spiderlink]

what exactly did she do that was pathetic in your eyes in this issue?

Maybe being supportive and understanding the feelings of the people you love is now pathetic for today standards?

[Jman27]

Maybe being supportive and understanding the feelings of the people you love is now pathetic for today standards?

so it seems. yeah people dont care about spider-man anymore its only which girl Peter is with

[Kevinroc]

Maybe being supportive and understanding the feelings of the people you love is now pathetic for today standards?

She is tacitly accepting that Peter is in love with another woman and would dump her ass in a second if MJ gave Peter the time of day.

[ZuLuLu]

They're dating more or less, even MJ knows it. Felicia was just being bantery there. The main thing is, this time she's allowing him to go at his own pace and trying to go about doing this the right way. If anything, they're allowing Felicia to show her growth and maturity when it comes to Peter and their relationship. Which is what I like to see with them. But she very obviously sees them being together(as does MJ), but she also wants him to be able to trust himself, and know it's okay that he will be awkward/shaken up around MJ because he'll obviously always carry some kind of torch for her because of their history. The difference is, she isn't intimidated by it nor jealous of it. She just wants Peter to trust her and ultimately himself enough to know he could talk to her about it. Or at least acknowledge it. Because if he tries to act like there's just 'nothing there anymore', he'll never truly be able to move forward honestly.

It's honestly one of the more mature moments Felicia has had and a personality aspect of hers I'd love to see more of. Especially when she is the one helping Peter with that kind of insight.

Felicia knows now that they're doing this again, she wants them to do it right and that means being honest about the elephant in the room. She isn't intimidated by it, but she knows he is. So she's being supportive and showing a side of her I've always wanted to see from her. If this is the Felicia Peter is dating, then there's a lot of great things that can come from it. For themselves individually as well as themselves together.

Agreed, Felicia was very mature in that scene.

[Jman27]

She is tacitly accepting that Peter is in love with another woman and would dump her ass in a second if MJ gave Peter the time of day.

by your logic Mj is just as pathetic cause if Gwen was alive Peter would still be her

[Kevinroc]

by your logic Mj is just as pathetic cause if Gwen was alive Peter would still be her

Gwen is dead.

[spiderlink]

Gwen is dead.

And MJ don’t want anything to do with Peter
And if she changes her opinion then what? What if Peter is dating some girl doesn’t even have to be Felicia and MJ comes and start talking to Peter, should Peter have to be free and available for when MJ when her tantrums ends?

[Kevinroc]

And MJ don’t want anything to do with Peter
And if she changes her opinion then what? What if Peter is dating some girl doesn’t even have to be Felicia and MJ comes and start talking to Peter, should Peter have to be free and available for when MJ when her tantrums ends?

We still have no context for why Peter and MJ broke up.

Doesn't change that Felicia's coming off as a rebound who Peter is with because he can't be with MJ and she's totally cool with that.

[TinkerSpider]

And MJ don’t want anything to do with Peter
And if she changes her opinion then what? What if Peter is dating some girl doesn’t even have to be Felicia and MJ comes and start talking to Peter, should Peter have to be free and available for when MJ when her tantrums ends?

Tantrums?

Peter is the one stalking HER.

Can we just stop this shipping nonsense? Stop putting down female characters just to prop up another? It’s rather sexist and treating them just as toys for Peter - like this issue did.

IMO, this issue did Felicia a huge disservice. Jed MacKay did an amazing job turning Felicia into her own person, who doesn’t have to stand around with her hand out, hoping Peter will toss her whatever leftovers he feels like tossing. And it’s really crummy that Felicia is one of Marvel’s few popular LGBTQ+ characters and they are wasting her in a story where her thoughts and concerns revolve around Peter and the other woman in his life. She’s just the third leg of a triangle and she was still portrayed as an object Peter is using to self-soothe - and she’s okay with that, ew. The Jed MacKay Black Cat series Felicia would never. And it doesn’t say much about Felicia’s self-respect, to be with someone she knows is still very much hung up on someone else. That’s…sad.

Felicia deserves to be the apex of her own triangle with men and women vying for her attention, not a defanged house cat hoping Peter will play with her when he stops being fascinated by another woman. She is confident and attractive, she’s got sex appeal up to the top of her platinum waves - Felicia should have people of all genders lining up just for the chance for one date with her. And she deserves someone whose heart is whole and wholly hers.

[Majesty]

I gotta ask. Is Felicia meant to come across as this pathetic? Is this what Peter x Felicia shippers want? With Felicia being content being the rebound because Peter can't be with MJ?

Felicia comes across as so passive and accepting that it wouldn't surprise me if Peter moaned out MJ's name during sex and had Felicia wear a red wig and she was totally fine with that.

would you prefer if she attack MJ or something? I don't get you

No matter what Felicia does, they will find a negative. They don't want Felicia and Peter to be together, so they'll attack and recontextualize anything to stick to that.

She is tacitly accepting that Peter is in love with another woman and would dump her ass in a second if MJ gave Peter the time of day.

by your logic Mj is just as pathetic cause if Gwen was alive Peter would still be her

Pointing out holes in their logic won't do anything sadly. Because they won't be happy, because Peter is with Felicia and not with MJ. So whatever good is done, or whatever maturity Felicia shows they will chalk up as "pathetic". It's no sense in asking what their logic or 'want' is, because their want is simply and plainly that they want Peter to always forever be with MJ and they will try to diminish anything else.

Felicia being understanding, supportive and mature they will rank as "Pathetic". But if Felicia had shown insecurities, bitterness, or hostility towards MJ they'd have just said Felicia was immature and make fun of people wanting Felicia and Peter to be together and would call it 'toxic'.

There's no winning with them, nor convincing them. Anything that isn't Peter and MJ they will forever lash out against and recontectualize to fit whatever negative spin they can reach for.

I guarantee you when Mary Jane even admitted to Felicia that the ways she had felt about her, was the ways she had felt about Gwen when her and Peter started dating they didn't consider her 'pathetic'.

the reality is, no matter what Felicia did, they were going to turn it negative, because they want nothing but Peter and MJ to be together and will openly bash whatever isn't that.

If they think Felicia basically telling Peter "Putting a name on how you feel is better than pretending like it was never there or doesn't exist. It's what helps move forward. Give yourself time. I trust and I support you." is 'pathetic', then that tells you all you need to know about how they'll always feel about Felicia and Peter being together.

[TinkerSpider]

If they think Felicia basically telling Peter "Putting a name on how you feel is better than pretending like it was never there or doesn't exist. Give yourself time. I trust and I support you." is 'pathetic', then that tells you all you need to know about how they'll always feel about Felicia and Peter being together.

If this was friend Felicia, helping Peter sort out his emotions, it would be an awesome scene.

But she’s already dating him apparently. And standing around hoping the man who has always chosen another and who is actively still hung up on her will somehow miraculously put you first in his life this time is…somewhat delusional. It’s a recipe for relationship disaster in real life. And maybe that’s what the writers want. Gods know the current creative team aren’t going to let Peter have a stable relationship. And they care so much about developing Peter and Felicia, the last scene they had together before this was issues ago and she still hadn’t said a full yes to going out with him. Felicia and Peter didn’t even share a panel during Dark Web. And Wells’s status quo is so poisonous it even affected MacKay in the Mary Jane and Black Cat miniseries, who has Felicia playing nursemaid to Peter’s ex who, as it turns out, is married to someone else and didn’t need her help in the first place, because Felicia is so centering Peter, she puts his emotional needs first, far ahead of her own. And being okay with being the also ran - seriously, does that sound like Felicia?

It makes Felicia a doormat.

I want Felicia to be the star of her own life, not a randomly used accessory just to cause Peter cliched relationship hijinks. Seriously, Carlie - when she was written as a competent police forensics specialist - or Bobbi Morse could have played Felicia’s role in this story and the story would have played the same.

Come back to write more Felicia, Jed. The MJ & BC miniseries is forgiven. Give Felicia someone who puts her first. Or let her have fun playing the field. She doesn’t need a love interest to be interesting - she already is.