DC Comics 2023 News/General Discussion

[Arctic Cyclist]

Batman vs Talia would make more sense, but DC is too busy letting Batman give Talia free passes.

In fairness, Talia went to jail many times during Event Leviathan and people, not Batman but actual government agents, kept letting her out. She’s currently on many clandestine government authorized teams and technically working as a spy for the D.E.O. so that they leave Damian alone.

There are also ALL the plot points from King’s run that were dropped and glossed over so that they could push “Batman loves Catwoman” that would and should create some fantastic conflict. Consider this: it was established that Damian was following Catwoman’s orders and plan, which is what caused Alfred’s death. Also consider how many reviews brought up Bruce acted drugged throughout the run, and Hugo Strange aka the biggest in universe BatCat shipper, was one of the people who created Gotham Girl and sent her in to manipulate Bruce into a relationship with Selina.

Also consider how she’s pretty much responsible for the dissolution of the Batfamily and his fortune.

There’s considerable conflict available that was created during King’s run, and even before. People just happen to treat BatCat as a golden cow and are scared to analyze how toxic the relationship is, especially during the King run.

[Earth-2 Refugee]

Aside from this topic, I wish DC would have put more effort into promoting more Team books. Yes, there is one called 'Titans' book. But the rosters is too much rely on nostalgia with nothing new. Another one is 'Doom Patrol' but it's just only 7 issues mini due to artist's slow. Then, getting the new issues of 'Justice Society of America' is like waiting for doomsday to happen because it is a massive delay. Finally, the rumor of the 'Fourth World Legion' which Idk who would write the run. But hopefully it's not Geoff John.

Team books from DC haven't been that good recently. Teen Titans Academy, Suicide Squad, and Justice League were all critical flops during Infinite Frontier, and Justice League was barely scraping by thanks to the Justice League Dark back-up. Justice Society of America is definitely the best team book from DC right now, but Doom Patrol is a close second. I also don't mind Doom Patrol being a mini as minis seem to be the future of the industry.

[Frontier]

In fairness, Talia went to jail many times during Event Leviathan and people, not Batman but actual government agents, kept letting her out. She’s currently on many clandestine government authorized teams and technically working as a spy for the D.E.O. so that they leave Damian alone.

There are also ALL the plot points from King’s run that were dropped and glossed over so that they could push “Batman loves Catwoman” that would and should create some fantastic conflict. Consider this: it was established that Damian was following Catwoman’s orders and plan, which is what caused Alfred’s death. Also consider how many reviews brought up Bruce acted drugged throughout the run, and Hugo Strange aka the biggest in universe BatCat shipper, was one of the people who created Gotham Girl and sent her in to manipulate Bruce into a relationship with Selina.

Also consider how she’s pretty much responsible for the dissolution of the Batfamily and his fortune.

There’s considerable conflict available that was created during King’s run, and even before. People just happen to treat BatCat as a golden cow and are scared to analyze how toxic the relationship is, especially during the King run.

Honestly I didn't really like how King handled the relationship either but there was a lot of problems with Kings' run and the characterization.

[king81992]

Wasn't Shadow War in part about Batman vs Talia? I think Talia even spent 15minutes in jail.

Shadow War was such a dumb comic. Ras and Talia commit genocide in Markovia, yet the writer( Williamson? I forget who wrote it) and Talia gets off with a slap on the wrist. We're supposed to feel bad because Ras allegedly 'reformed'... because the writer says so? Ras past attemepts at reform usually end with him lapsing back into his old ways or as part of a ruse anyways.

The only thing Geo Force did wrong was frame Deathstroke and even then, Slade had that coming and deserves worse. An underlying theme of the comic seemed to be family, but the writer didn't use Terra despite Geo Force saying she was part of the reason why he framed Slade. On the other hand, Shadow War and Dark Crisis were a mess, so Terra not being involved might have been a blessing in disguise.

[HsssH]

I really hate the idea of reforming mass murderers.

[Will Evans]

So are we guessing a new Aquaman ongoing by December to coincide with the new film?

[Vordan]

So are we guessing a new Aquaman ongoing by December to coincide with the new film?

Possible. Apparently Aquaman 2 is pretty bad so DC might not even bother given how badly they botched the last Aquaman push. Certainly would like to see another Aquaman book.

[Digifiend]

That film is also DOA because they're about to reboot. It's gonna flop.

[Frontier]

I really hate the idea of reforming mass murderers.

It's worked so well for the X-Men!

[king81992]

It's worked so well for the X-Men!

It also helped that a lot of the X Men characters were driven to villainy due to a society that's out to exterminate mutants. Even then, there are a few characters who can't/ shouldn't be redeemed due to all the atrocities they committed.

Ra's whole 'protect the environment' gimmick never made sense anyways. An army of ninja/assassins killing people and nations you dislike doesn't really save the planet. All it achieves providing fabulous amounts of wealth/ influence for you and your family.

[king81992]

I really hate the idea of reforming mass murderers.

DC never attempt to reform the characters who actually deserve a second chance and give free passes to ones who don't.

[Mantis-Ray]

DC never attempt to reform the characters who actually deserve a second chance and give free passes to ones who don't.

The issue is that its tied to a popularity thing, instead of whether a character actually deserves it.

Which its outright harming Batman because he has to give so many passes to terrible people. Like Talia is pretty much no better than Ra's at this point but we have to give her endless chances simply because she's Damian's mother.

Seriously there is nothing remotely sympathetic about Talia at this point. All her sympatheticness is simply cause Damian wants to get along with his psychopath mother.

[Frontier]

It also helped that a lot of the X Men characters were driven to villainy due to a society that's out to exterminate mutants. Even then, there are a few characters who can't/ shouldn't be redeemed due to all the atrocities they committed.

Ra's whole 'protect the environment' gimmick never made sense anyways. An army of ninja/assassins killing people and nations you dislike doesn't really save the planet. All it achieves providing fabulous amounts of wealth/ influence for you and your family.

To be far he also participates in a lot of "wipe out humanity" plots as well. He just sometimes goes through political subterfuge as well.

[king81992]

The issue is that its tied to a popularity thing, instead of whether a character actually deserves it.

Which its outright harming Batman because he has to give so many passes to terrible people. Like Talia is pretty much no better than Ra's at this point but we have to give her endless chances simply because she's Damian's mother.

Seriously there is nothing remotely sympathetic about Talia at this point. All her sympatheticness is simply cause Damian wants to get along with his psychopath mother.

Yeah, Batman and Damian are always hypocrites when it comes to Talia. An argument could be made that Batman is general is a hypocrite.

[Mantis-Ray]

Yeah, Batman and Damian are always hypocrites when it comes to Talia. An argument could be made that Batman is general is a hypocrite.

With Talia its pretty much hypocrisy, but there is a bit of a rock and a hard place there.

Batman suffers from being too connected to several infamous anti-heroes, so him giving them several chances in spite of their murderous tendencies reflects poorly on him.

On the other hand if he were to take an actual stance and standards against them, people would get mad. He throws Jason in jail, people call him a bad father and say its his fault. If he were to throw Harley in jail, Harley's fans would get pissy about it.

Ultimately its a popularity thing, if Batman were to do anything to these characters their fanbases would get pissed about it.