T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2023

[Ezyo1000]

I have my doubts. Nothing in the MCU will ever be about T’Challa again unless it’s T’Junior and even then that’s just a great value version of the character.

Unfortunately this is the case, the character and the person in his corner died with chad. The fact that It was Chad who pushed for Wakandans to not have a British accent, or how casually T'Challas core traits and feats (being the one to push to Open Wakanda, and figuring out how to make VB inert) were given to supporting cast and his super genius was heavily downplayed in favor of give Shuri something to do, and finally using chads RL death as a plot point in WF, just proves that T'Challa wont thrive or be important until a bee creative team is out together to do him Right and comic accurate

[Ezyo1000]

I know we disagree on this issue. And I would prefer a variant.

However, if (and its a big IF) they made that character basically everything people loved about MCU T'Challa and everything "missing" that they loved about comicbook T'Challa would it not matter to you? Could you not get over the fact they chose to have their cake and eat it too? Especially if they just refer to him as T'Challa and not for example...

Bronny James (who is LeBron James Jr but out of fear of too pressure just started calling/using his nickname instead).


I acknowledge there is a possibility that T'Challa 2.0 is a disaster and an utter failure. Im just saying IF they hit all the marks can he not be accepted cause they chose a different path in getting there?

Yes it does matter because it's NOT T'Challa. It's a OC named Toussaint that goes by T'Challa to try and appease actual T'Challa/BP fans and it does so by spitting in the fans faces.

It also shows that what they did to T'Challa, the character who has actual RL significance and history in comics and in real life, was completely and utterly abysmal. They took character traits, removed his intelligence and agency, and nerfed the character to try and push for side characters to have more importance at the cost of T'Challa and at the end of the day, his legacy as BP is that he dies more than any other BP and in his 8 yr reign as king he spent 5 of that being dead.

So they did him dirty and now they are going to decide to make a comic accurate version with his OC son thats a different character all together and has NONE of the historical or cultural relevance attached to him? Just slap on the name T'Challa and call it good? Nah, F that. This is a poor and insulting excuse to address the character and it's an insult to how impactful T'Challa is and what he represents for POC

[BlackClaw]

Yes it does matter because it's NOT T'Challa. It's a OC named Toussaint that goes by T'Challa to try and appease actual T'Challa/BP fans and it does so by spitting in the fans faces.

It also shows that what they did to T'Challa, the character who has actual RL significance and history in comics and in real life, was completely and utterly abysmal. They took character traits, removed his intelligence and agency, and nerfed the character to try and push for side characters to have more importance at the cost of T'Challa and at the end of the day, his legacy as BP is that he dies more than any other BP and in his 8 yr reign as king he spent 5 of that being dead.

So they did him dirty and now they are going to decide to make a comic accurate version with his OC son thats a different character all together and has NONE of the historical or cultural relevance attached to him? Just slap on the name T'Challa and call it good? Nah, F that. This is a poor and insulting excuse to address the character and it's an insult to how impactful T'Challa is and what he represents for POC

All of this. Especially since now they have to think of a way to age up this kid without making the other characters old AF in the process. It just makes things more convoluted than it needs to be when they could’ve just recast via multiverse since we’re in the multiverse saga.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

At best I’ll tolerate it if it’ll stop T’Challa from getting screwed over in mediums outside of comics. But junior is not a recast in my eyes and he never will be.

But again this is my cake and eat it too theory (Only if they do 99.9% right)

It keeps Chadwick immortalized and still allow for another option.

I think the problem with a variant is there's no real attachment to anything in the MCU. It'd be one thing if Marvel started doing elseworld movies or non continuity.

I just think the only way a variant works if at the end of the secret wars only certain characters remain in the timeline.

Although its very possible they just reboot everything and start over. And again will they let us wait another 10 years before getting to "T'Challa"

I'd rather an age up or its T'Challa 2.0 traveling back in time then wait for 2036 to see T'Challa gain.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

Unfortunately this is the case, the character and the person in his corner died with chad. The fact that It was Chad who pushed for Wakandans to not have a British accent, or how casually T'Challas core traits and feats (being the one to push to Open Wakanda, and figuring out how to make VB inert) were given to supporting cast and his super genius was heavily downplayed in favor of give Shuri something to do, and finally using chads RL death as a plot point in WF, just proves that T'Challa wont thrive or be important until a bee creative team is out together to do him Right and comic accurate

I use to ride the wave of what Chadwick would have wanted. However, I truly dont because he never specifically said anything about someone else playing his character. And he said nothing to his Black Panther fam about it.

So, me personally, Im over using non exact statements of what Chadwick would have wanted. Cause for all we know he might have been down with Shuri being BP for a movie and appreciated what they were attempting in honoring him. We truly dont know.

[XenobladerX]

A quick look at T'Challa in Blood Hunt
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comi...ckay-interview

[MindofShadow]

The problem with the stupid kid is that he is barely even Wakandan at this point, let alone Wakandan royalty.

Dude didn't even grow up in Africa.

What they decided to do was dumb. How they went about the kid was even more ridiculous if they truly wanted to do anything but "honor" mcuT'challa.

[Redjack]

Idk, if Ryan Coogler makes that call things could change.

=)

there's only one person who could get me to work for Marvel Animation and it's not Ryan Coogler.

my final pitch to Marvel comics is officially in and being considered. if they don't go for it, that's the end of me messing with that company unless they call me. And then it would have the be the right project under the right conditions. I'm not holding my breath. But I have my fingers crossed for this last pitch.

[Redjack]

I use to ride the wave of what Chadwick would have wanted. However, I truly dont because he never specifically said anything about someone else playing his character. And he said nothing to his Black Panther fam about it.

So, me personally, Im over using non exact statements of what Chadwick would have wanted. Cause for all we know he might have been down with Shuri being BP for a movie and appreciated what they were attempting in honoring him. We truly dont know.

I'm not sure why anyone cares what Mr. Bosemen would have wanted regarding the Black Panther.

He was a very talented actor who did a great job on an iconic role.

And that's it.

hollywood moves on money, not sentiment.

anyone who thinks otherwise is a mark.

[KingNomarch]

=)

there's only one person who could get me to work for Marvel Animation and it's not Ryan Coogler.

my final pitch to Marvel comics is officially in and being considered. if they don't go for it, that's the end of me messing with that company unless they call me. And then it would have the be the right project under the right conditions. I'm not holding my breath. But I have my fingers crossed for this last pitch.

Lord please me need this. Let someone at Marvel have some common sense

[chief12d]

The problem with the stupid kid is that he is barely even Wakandan at this point, let alone Wakandan royalty.

Dude didn't even grow up in Africa.

What they decided to do was dumb. How they went about the kid was even more ridiculous if they truly wanted to do anything but "honor" mcuT'challa.

And when the kid ends up even less comic accurate than Boseman’s T’Challa you already know what the defense is gonna be lmao.

As long as they keep the kid out of comics I’m good, just keep that nonsense in the movies.

[Ezyo1000]

I use to ride the wave of what Chadwick would have wanted. However, I truly dont because he never specifically said anything about someone else playing his character. And he said nothing to his Black Panther fam about it.

So, me personally, Im over using non exact statements of what Chadwick would have wanted. Cause for all we know he might have been down with Shuri being BP for a movie and appreciated what they were attempting in honoring him. We truly dont know.

Ah yes the "bUt ChAd NeVeR sPeCiFiEd WhAt hE wOuLd'vE wAnTeD fOR tHe cHaRaCteR" He didn't have to state "I want T'Challa to live on incase I die" Richard Harris didn't state that and they recast Dumbledore and kept it pushing because the character was important. T'Challa matters. Chad knew this and he showed it by what he had to say about the importance of T'Challa and what the character meant to young black children.

Look at how hard he pushed for things to be more authentic, and how hard he wanted to get the character right, or turned down endorsements that could cast a negative light on young black kids. There's also the whole thing about how he said the character was bigger than him, is Chad didn't own T'Challa, no actor owns a character so for them to think no one else but them can play a character would be extremely ignorant and i know Chad wasnt like that based on his words and actions

People want to use that excuse as if that has ever meant anything. Chads brother said it wouldn't want him T'Challa to die with Chad. Chad didn't put all that effort into T'Challa just to have him die with him. I'm so over people using this flawed logic of "We don't know what Chad wanted because he didn't SAY anything explicit while ignoring the old saying "Actions speak louder than words" and his actions pointed that T'Challa should've lived. It's also doubly disgusting how they used chads RL sickness and death to sell tickets under the guise of honoring him.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

The problem with the stupid kid is that he is barely even Wakandan at this point, let alone Wakandan royalty.

Dude didn't even grow up in Africa.

What they decided to do was dumb. How they went about the kid was even more ridiculous if they truly wanted to do anything but "honor" mcuT'challa.

You could say the Snap in itself was stupid. He missed 5 years in a Snap environment and then lives there afterwards. Its not a big deal.

[BlackClaw]

Ah yes the "bUt ChAd NeVeR sPeCiFiEd WhAt hE wOuLd'vE wAnTeD fOR tHe cHaRaCteR" He didn't have to state "I want T'Challa to live on incase I die" Richard Harris didn't state that and they recast Dumbledore and kept it pushing because the character was important. T'Challa matters. Chad knew this and he showed it by what he had to say about the importance of T'Challa and what the character meant to young black children.

Look at how hard he pushed for things to be more authentic, and how hard he wanted to get the character right, or turned down endorsements that could cast a negative light on young black kids. There's also the whole thing about how he said the character was bigger than him, is Chad didn't own T'Challa, no actor owns a character so for them to think no one else but them can play a character would be extremely ignorant and i know Chad wasnt like that based on his words and actions

People want to use that excuse as if that has ever meant anything. Chads brother said it wouldn't want him T'Challa to die with Chad. Chad didn't put all that effort into T'Challa just to have him die with him. I'm so over people using this flawed logic of "We don't know what Chad wanted because he didn't SAY anything explicit while ignoring the old saying "Actions speak louder than words" and his actions pointed that T'Challa should've lived. It's also doubly disgusting how they used chads RL sickness and death to sell tickets under the guise of honoring him.

All of this. But what’s done is done. What’s important to me now is T’Challa having a presence in other mediums. Bryan Hill’s Ultimate Black Panther is looking to be a step in the right direction since he truly understands the character. The ball is in EA’s court to keep the momentum going.

[Ezyo1000]

I'm not sure why anyone cares what Mr. Bosemen would have wanted regarding the Black Panther.

He was a very talented actor who did a great job on an iconic role.

And that's it.

hollywood moves on money, not sentiment.

anyone who thinks otherwise is a mark.

They don't care. Hence why they shifted their attacks at people who were pro recast first was "That's so disrespectful to Chad! Think about his family and what they want!" Then when hos family came out in support of a recast it shifted to "Well, they dont own Marvel there opinion doesn't matter, Think of the cast! They lost a friend!" As if that somehow trumps being a family member who was there with him in his final days and ya know, KNEW he had cancer.

Or how They could only spout "it's just a mantle" and Wakanda was always the draw when Marvel started off in that isht even though at the premier Fiege went on about how important T'Challa was. They shifted and tried to get people to believe the bullsh*t luckily people like Eman fought the good fight and got the word out that they were full of it.

Disney gambled that WK would be a smash without T'Challa and selling RL death and playing on "honoring Chad" would push through and pay out big.

They were wrong and they really messed up Chad's T'Challa and his legacy is pretty abysmal and the franchise is in a convoluted mess