I feel second-hand embarrassment reading all this. If nothing in comics is real, then why bother arguing about it in the first place? You guys should just agree to disagree and move on.
The most unhealthy thing is continuing to commit to this comic and spending money on this drivel, accepting word of god that things are as they are rather than challenge it or poke at the holes in the story. Save up for a car or heating or to provide for yourself, you need that more than capes*it, and THAT is objective reality.
So if anything can be “retcon” by any writer, and what you say you want to happen, does happen, somebody can come back later on down the line and “undo” the retcon you claim to be factual about Chasm-Ben not being the real Ben?
It’s just easier to accept that this is unwanted character grown (or ungrowth) for the time being before Ben is reset again back to factory settings in time for Across the Spider-verse.
To be honest, I’ve heard the theory about Osborne having switched out Ben theory over and over the last 15 some years and that is the very least uncreative way to bring Ben back. What we got wasn’t the best, but it worked, and was later solidified as canon (for now) as Ben being the real Ben.
I’d settle with Ben somehow being split into “two-halves” after this story is done. Since this thing is about souls and memories, maybe have something happen that splits Ben into two halves. Maybe have Scarlet-Ben chase Chasm-Ben across the globe trying to get his full soul back and in the end result all that is left of Chasm is just that, a Chasm of flesh.
Ben can be reset to factory settings via retcon. Why aren’t you getting that? You seem to think retcon is a dirty word. Marvel retconned Peter’s entire marriage and 20 years worth of stories. How do you think that made me, a hardcore Mary Jane Watson-PARKER fan, make me feel? Why should Ben be immune to retcons, particularly one that would instantly fix the damage they’ve done to this character? Make it make sense!!!
But, Ben’s resurrection as it was, was a retcon, to his established death. In comics 15 plus years ago. That alone is a retcon.
Any characters death, then surprise ressurection, if done by another writer, is a retcon.
Last edited by Blanks; 01-04-2023 at 01:05 PM.
Because those retcons are entirely nonsensical and problematic and there's an easier, simpler solution. You haven't even been reading the books.
Also, Norman Osborn referred to Chasm as Ben Reilly in his inner monoloue this week, so the idea that a reformed Norman Osborn is keeping the real Ben hidden away somewhere makes even less sense than it did before.
I'm all for fixing Ben, but not in a way that caused half his history to become an indecipherable mess.
What happens if they bring back the "real Ben" and you don't like the writing then? More rewriting of years of stories with more evil twins? The retcon angle is so stupid and needlessly confusing.
Last edited by Refrax5; 01-04-2023 at 01:10 PM.
Honestly, the only thing I think should be retconned/removed out with Ben is the Clone Conspiracy or the PAD series? Beyond and Clone Conspiracy era Ben feel like two completely disconnected characters with the same idea of Ben turning bad so it feels like one shouldn't exist.