Steve Rogers/Captain America Appreciation 2023

[Chris0013]

A terrible ending to a terrible run. I really didn't expect any better as bad as the story was from the start.

[JT221]

Recently been re-reading the Winter Soldier arcs, and am really enjoying it. I had forgotten who well done Cap comics were during that time.

[Dreaded Porcupine]

A terrible ending to a terrible run. I really didn't expect any better as bad as the story was from the start.

Have to agree. Cap needs a fresh start and back to the basics. No more Nazi Cap crap. No more secret society shield symbol crap. Marvel tarnished him and his shield. What was editorial thinking? His sales must have been terrible.

[charliehustle415]

Have to agree. Cap needs a fresh start and back to the basics. No more Nazi Cap crap. No more secret society shield symbol crap. Marvel tarnished him and his shield. What was editorial thinking? His sales must have been terrible.

They took Hickman's S.H.I.E.L.D. and Secret Warriors idea and ran it through the ground so hard it came out in China.

[clonegeek]

Have to agree. Cap needs a fresh start and back to the basics. No more Nazi Cap crap. No more secret society shield symbol crap. Marvel tarnished him and his shield. What was editorial thinking? His sales must have been terrible.

Cap needs his secret identity back

[charliehustle415]

Cap needs his secret identity back

He had a secret identity!? I thought the world always knew he was Steve Rogers?

[Frontier]

Cap needs his secret identity back

He needs a personal life again, like the one good thing about this run was him taking art classes.

[K7P5V]

He needs a personal life again, like the one good thing about this run was him taking art classes.

I know, right?! Along with a civilian supporting cast...

[Mantis-Ray]

Really thinking about it the main problem with the whole Outer Circle storyline is that it got too big and stayed that way.

Like the book was really good at the start cause it decently balanced the down to Earth stuff with the plot stuff. But eventually it got overtly serialized with no downtime, just major event after major event with no rest.

Which meant not only did Steve's interactions with the people get demoted, but it also put the Outer Circle and all their weaknesses as a concept out in the open. It just knocked you in the head and proceeded to keep knocking it for the rest of the book.

[phonogram12]

Cap needs his secret identity back

While I do think that most characters can benefit from a secret id, I think all Cap really needs is a supporting cast at least half made up of people who aren't spies or superheroes. They just keep him more grounded and relatable.

[Huntsman Spider]

While I do think that most characters can benefit from a secret id, I think all Cap really needs is a supporting cast at least half made up of people who aren't spies or superheroes. They just keep him more grounded and relatable.

Not only more grounded and relatable, but also regarding superheroes in general, abler to empathize with the needs and concerns of ordinary human beings, which I have said for a good while now could be a factor in how alienated the in-universe public has become from superheroes at large over the years.

[Hypestyle]

has J. Michael Straczynski spoken at length about his inspirations for his upcoming story arcs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZvkCFynf4Y&t=4s

Seems like there's some territory covered in Rachel Maddow's Ultra podcast that deals with some truly eye opening events in NYC and elsewhere in the country that actively sympathized with the Nazi party-

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/...-boys-n1299377

[Chris0013]

has J. Michael Straczynski spoken at length about his inspirations for his upcoming story arcs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZvkCFynf4Y&t=4s

Seems like there's some territory covered in Rachel Maddow's Ultra podcast that deals with some truly eye opening events in NYC and elsewhere in the country that actively sympathized with the Nazi party-

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/...-boys-n1299377

It is not like Maddow just discovered that Nazis in America Stuff. It has been known for years. History Channel has had shows on it for a while. Leading up to the US entry into WW2 there was a pretty big Nazi movement in the US. Even had a huge rally at Madison Square Garden in 1939. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_N..._Square_Garden

[Huntsman Spider]

It is not like Maddow just discovered that Nazis in America Stuff. It has been known for years. History Channel has had shows on it for a while. Leading up to the US entry into WW2 there was a pretty big Nazi movement in the US. Even had a huge rally at Madison Square Garden in 1939. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_N..._Square_Garden

Funny enough, Spider-Man Noir had a Marvel Unlimited comic where he did infiltrate and bust heads at that Nazi rally. And hell, the American Nazi movement wasn't exactly happy about that debut cover of Captain America showing him punching Hitler's lights out . . . to which Jack Kirby's response can be best summarized as, "Bring it." Alas, the cowards fled before Jack Kirby could show them a thing or two about the real American spirit, since somebody had called the cops after those cowards made their threats to Kirby. At least, that's the story I recall hearing.

[Digifiend]

He had a secret identity!? I thought the world always knew he was Steve Rogers?

The authorities did, but not the general public. Did he reveal himself around the same time Iron Man did?