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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Which was published when said origin was already invalidated by New 52 WW getting negated. That clay origin has been binned and it should've already been by that point. The Titans writer screwed up.
    But Orlando then also referenced this as late as 2020. Maybe it wasn't a mistake on the writers' part and DC's editorial decided to keep parts of the New 52 origin while also being vague about the exact details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Which was published when said origin was already invalidated by New 52 WW getting negated. That clay origin has been binned and it should've already been by that point. The Titans writer screwed up.
    Also.... Future Donna talks about how the future is immutable, but.....tries to change it anyways. also.... why? what made her decide to rewrite 1400 years of history? She claims she just wants to help her past self, but why is 1400+ year old Donna obsessed with the pain of losing her friends?

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    One of the best Donna writers and artists .

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    Donna giving us Black and Red Glam with a twist of stars and silver, with her chicly-twisted pony!
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    Boy do I miss this Donna. Strong, confident, powerful....this is the Donna that would stand beside Diana and go toe to toe with anyone but still have compassion first. The costume was stunning as well as a statement piece.
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    Beautiful, strong, powerful and confident....another reason why I say Donna Troy and Jean Grey are parallel universe selves/twins/sisters.

    And sometimes they both wear the Pony too, lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixx9 View Post
    Beautiful, strong, powerful and confident....another reason why I say Donna Troy and Jean Grey are parallel universe selves/twins/sisters.

    And sometimes they both wear the Pony too, lol!
    They really do have a lot in common: the only girl on the 5-people teen team, graduated to a more powerful persona, lost control over that power, the convulted history, the retcons, the "mother" role within the team... also, both look stunning when drawn by Phil Jiminez, but then again pretty much everyone does

    I would love for Donna and Jean to interact one day, as unlikely as that may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncanny X-Man View Post
    They really do have a lot in common: the only girl on the 5-people teen team, graduated to a more powerful persona, lost control over that power, the convulted history, the retcons, the "mother" role within the team... also, both look stunning when drawn by Phil Jiminez, but then again pretty much everyone does

    I would love for Donna and Jean to interact one day, as unlikely as that may be.
    Thanks. Yes, they really do have much in common.

    Besides what we both have stated above, these women prefer peace to war, have had 2 code names, but now both go by their birth names, and finding a new superheroine name that is perfect is a HARD thing for both!

    Oh, I agree! Maybe a new crossover of DC/Marvel with the Titans and the X-Men (not having to do with Dark Phoenix, lol!)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Which was published when said origin was already invalidated by New 52 WW getting negated. That clay origin has been binned and it should've already been by that point. The Titans writer screwed up.
    The problem is that they kept elements of the 52. If you notice , we go from the 52 's " evil Donna made of remnents of statue Hippolyta and a sacrificed Amazon as an enemy" to a vague explanation of " createdcas a weapon to destroy Diana, but we stopped that and placed false memories of you being a rescued child."

    So they were still sticking with the " created as an enemy" but without the other details. They merged the 52 version with the sister version, by having the sister version be a false memory implanted in the " created as an enemy" version.

    So it becones hard to say " oh, she's back to the old origin" when they show memories of Donna having a life on the Island.... because, are those memories legit or the false memories?

    Until the Donna Troy Titans issue when it finally laid out. " ...sister rescued... "

    Now it feels like it's official, and not just hinted at/ suggested/ but never clearly addressed.

    That's been part of the issue with all the changes post COIE. Nothing is ever cleary explained or laid out anymore.

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    Donna's origin is the one shown in Tales of the Titans issue 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncanny X-Man View Post
    They really do have a lot in common: the only girl on the 5-people teen team, graduated to a more powerful persona, lost control over that power, the convulted history, the retcons, the "mother" role within the team... also, both look stunning when drawn by Phil Jiminez, but then again pretty much everyone does

    I would love for Donna and Jean to interact one day, as unlikely as that may be.
    They even have the same codename in some languages, since Marvel Girl and Wonder Girl mean the exact same thing - in some languages Diana's name is translated to Marvel Woman, which results in Donna, and more recently Cassie and Yara, sharing Jean's codename.
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    If Troia is gone, then there is really no reason for the star field or even the black costume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcekada View Post
    If Troia is gone, then there is really no reason for the star field or even the black costume.
    It's a good costume that makes her distinct from Diana. That's reason enough to keep it.

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