Natasha Romanova: Black Widow Appreciation 2023

[Frontier]

Does anyone know what happened to Ivan?

Didn't he go evil and turn into a robot?

[chicago_bastard]

On the topic of celebrities and languages...

Christopher Lee: fluent Italian, French, Spanish, German; and English with a trained accent that he maintained throughout his lengthy life regardless of the various English accents to be found in England

Salma Hayek: Spanish, Arabic,Portuguese, and English with an accent

Tom Hiddleston: Spanish, French, Italian, Greek, Latin, Russian, German, Russian, Korean, Mandarin; and English with an RP accent that - like Christopher Lee - I expect he will be keeping for the rest of his life

Monica Bellucci: Italian, French, Persian, Spanish, and English with an accent

Viggo Mortensen: French, Italian, Norwegian; and has a nondescript accent possibly owing to growing up speaking Spanish, Danish, and English

None of these examples make any sense. Two of them couldn't speak English without their foreign accent to save their lives and the other three aren't even speaking with a non-native speaker's accent ffs...

[chicago_bastard]

Yeah the Iron Scorpion, I believe. Cut her guns in half, threw her out of a window, headbutted a truck with a little help from her.

We confused them then, I thought of that monk guy called Molot Boga who was villain of the week shortly after him. I remember Iron Scorpion having swords though and not a gun, that's why I thought you meant Molot.

Look - spy women are his kryptonite. Nothing he could do about it.

But yeah I can't actually think of a non-sparring/training fight between them that wasn't first and foremost a story telling device more than a contest.

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Even their sparring fights are better than what we got on Vormir though, minus the outfits of course

[ARkadelphia]

Didn't he go evil and turn into a robot?

You’re thinking of Moira

[chicago_bastard]

Didn't he go evil and turn into a robot?

Indeed, he went psycho-cyborg out of jealousy and Nat killed him.

[Galerion]

You’re thinking of Moira

That was the first thing that went through my mind too

Who doesn't want to turn themselves into an evil cyborg, right?

[bat22]

None of these examples make any sense. Two of them couldn't speak English without their foreign accent to save their lives and the other three aren't even speaking with a non-native speaker's accent ffs...

I'd say they make more sense than bilingual Mina Kunis who was roughly 7 y.o. when she came to the States, particularly with this idea that a person who can speak several languages must be without an accent.

And it also calls into question what your idea of an accent is. There are distinct accents that exist within the same language group across different regions. Christopher Lee and Tom Hiddleston have such accents that, regardless of their multi-language ability, they still maintain.

Let's add Gal Gadot to the list. She can speak Hebrew, Arabic, Portuguese, French, German, and also English with an accent.

Could she as well as Salma and Monica hide their accents for an acting part? Uhhh, let's say maybe...? But why would they if (1) their accent is part of their movie star features and (2) there is no personal need or insecurity about themselves to make that change.

[chicago_bastard]

I'd say they make more sense than bilingual Mina Kunis who was roughly 7 y.o. when she came to the States, particularly with this idea that a person who can speak several languages must be without an accent.

And it also calls into question what your idea of an accent is. There are distinct accents that exist within the same language group across different regions. Christopher Lee and Tom Hiddleston have such accents that, regardless of their multi-language ability, they still maintain.

Let's add Gal Gadot to the list. She can speak Hebrew, Arabic, Portuguese, French, German, and also English with an accent.

Could she as well as Salma and Monica hide their accents for an acting part? Uhhh, let's say maybe...? But why would they if (1) their accent is part of their movie star features and (2) there is no personal need or insecurity about themselves to make that change.

The particular idea stems from the fact that she's a fictional super spy in superhero comic books. If the writer claims she can speak ten languages without accent then she can speak ten languages without accent no matter if anybody exists in the real world who can do that or not. Just like Hawkeye is able to shoot an arrow into a target moving at high speed without even looking in that direction despite that being an impossible feat for any world class archer in the real world. Can't believe we are again at the point where I tell you that superhero comic books aren't realistic.

By the way Lee kept living in Britain for the biggest part of his life and therefore didn't have a reason to change his accent, same goes for Hiddleston who still lives in London.

[Matternativ]

We confused them then, I thought of that monk guy called Molot Boga who was villain of the week shortly after him. I remember Iron Scorpion having swords though and not a gun, that's why I thought you meant Molot.



spar.jpg

Even their sparring fights are better than what we got on Vormir though, minus the outfits of course

Yeah i dunno why I said gun when he was the sword guy but oh well.

And what is the source on that very 90ies looking picture from a comic I clearly haven't read? :O

I'll say I also quite like the outfits. Just not necessarily the over the top proportions and how skintight they are but back then every guy in comics was jacked and every lady stacked and you would always see that through whatever they wore haha.

[bat22]

The particular idea stems from the fact that she's a fictional super spy in superhero comic books. If the writer claims she can speak ten languages without accent then she can speak ten languages without accent no matter if anybody exists in the real world who can do that or not. Just like Hawkeye is able to shoot an arrow into a target moving at high speed without even looking in that direction despite that being an impossible feat for any world class archer in the real world. Can't believe we are again at the point where I tell you that superhero comic books aren't realistic.

By the way Lee kept living in Britain for the biggest part of his life and therefore didn't have a reason to change his accent, same goes for Hiddleston who still lives in London.

For an island, Britain has 20-40 dialects for people to potentially be exposed to, but Lee's English accent did not change in his lifetime nor do I expect Hiddleston's.

In the context of comic books, our superheroes can have native accents like Banshee, Rogue, Gambit...

If a writer claims that 'Tasha can speak 10 languages without an accent, I can swallow that.

However, just because she can speak English without an accent does not mean that she doesn't have a Russian accent by default, like an English actress putting on a Southern accent for a role.

Always been partial to Natasha's spandex outfits.

[Frontier]

If you want a Widow that still speaks with an accent, that's what Yelena is for.

I think it was in that recent one-shot she had with Red Guardian where she said she still views herself as Russian compared to Natasha.

[bat22]

If you want a Widow that still speaks with an accent, that's what Yelena is for.

I think it was in that recent one-shot she had with Red Guardian where she said she still views herself as Russian compared to Natasha.

So? Someone who considers herself Russian can still speak English without an accent for the spy games, just as someone who is a Russian expatriot or naturalized American can still speak English with a Russian accent.

[chicago_bastard]

Yeah i dunno why I said gun when he was the sword guy but oh well.

And what is the source on that very 90ies looking picture from a comic I clearly haven't read? :O

I'll say I also quite like the outfits. Just not necessarily the over the top proportions and how skintight they are but back then every guy in comics was jacked and every lady stacked and you would always see that through whatever they wore haha.

I wonder how you were able to tell the decade

It's from The Avengers run in the mid 90s, not sure about the issue but it was a story where your boy had a thing with Madame Masque (who I believe was a clone or something though), old womanizer that he is.

[Matternativ]

I wonder how you were able to tell the decade

It's from The Avengers run in the mid 90s, not sure about the issue but it was a story where your boy had a thing with Madame Masque (who I believe was a clone or something though), old womanizer that he is.

Not knowing the context and seeing that pic it almost seems like a jealousy fit.

My mind immediately pictured something like in this old ass advert only with less slapping and more kicking.

(Couldn't find an english Version but the crux of the matter is, it's an unfaithful guy who gets slapped. The ad was so well liked they brought it back again and again for 15 or so years.)

[chicago_bastard]

Not knowing the context and seeing that pic it almost seems like a jealousy fit.

My mind immediately pictured something like in this old ass advert only with less slapping and more kicking.

(Couldn't find an english Version but the crux of the matter is, it's an unfaithful guy who gets slapped. The ad was so well liked they brought it back again and again for 15 or so years.)

lol seems 90s comics are totally predictable

Nat and Masque were constantly catfighting during that storyline, only verbally though, book never delivered the fisticuffs that it had teased. Nat only took it out on Clint in sparring haha.