Is there any way Wells can turn the negative fan reception around?

[Jman27]

Yes. Why wouldn't they be?

has anything important come from them just wondering what i miss

[Kevinroc]

has anything important come from them just wondering what i miss

Not really.

[TinkerSpider]

That wasn't his point, although there is the question of the batting average of the marriage.

Of course that was his point. There is no other rational interpretation of his words.

*looks at The Lost Hunt, which runs entire orbits around the sun around Wells’s run*

And he’s empirically wrong.

[PCN24454]

This is... um... a starry eyed impression of how healthy relationships work. It's not about having no tensions; it's about trusting each other to catch each other when the tension gets too much.
We can do with more well-written depictions of healthy relationships.

That sounds like an emotional crutch which is kinda the problem.

[Matt Rat]

Of course that was his point. There is no other rational interpretation of his words.

*looks at The Lost Hunt, which runs entire orbits around the sun around Wells’s run*

And he’s empirically wrong.

Also, didn't Slott brag about pitching that 'ray of hope' story "Sinister 60th" for AF#1000? They billed that as a story set in the 'future' and while the running gag of the story was that they couldn't confirm Peter and MJ were married, it was quite evident they were.

[Lee]

Also, didn't Slott brag about pitching that 'ray of hope' story "Sinister 60th" for AF#1000?

You're villainising a writer because you don't like their stories.

People were complaining that Marvel "gave" a Peter & MJ story to Dan Slott instead of someone else. Dan Slott clarified that Marvel didn't hand him a Peter & MJ story, he pitched the story to them (which is how it usually works). That's not bragging.

[Daibhidh]

That sounds like an emotional crutch which is kinda the problem.

I was talking about the idea that the relationship has a safety net rather than the idea that each partner needs a crutch for their emotions. But, what is wrong with using an emotional crutch now and then? It's better than being too proud to ask for help. (That is sometimes one of Peter's more off-putting character flaws.) The idea that you can get by without ever suffering emotional injury is a misguided idea of what emotional strength is.

When I was younger, so much younger than today
I never needed anybody's help in any way.
But now those days are gone I'm not so self-assured
Now I find I've changed my mind
I've opened up the doors. (Lennon, McCartney)

I think it's easier to live it than to explain it on a forum like this.
But the idea that a healthy relationship will have no tensions is not a good foundation for a healthy relationship.

[TinkerSpider]

That sounds like an emotional crutch which is kinda the problem.

How do I word this….

What do you think a healthy relationship of equal partners looks like?

I think it's easier to live it than to explain it on a forum like this.
But the idea that a healthy relationship will have no tensions is not a good foundation for a healthy relationship.

Agree to all of this.

[Batman Begins 2005]

TASM (Vol. 6) is rivalling TASM (Vol. 3) and TASM (Vol. 4) for my most hated comic book run ever.

[Lukmendes]

How do I word this….

What do you think a healthy relationship of equal partners looks like?

One where the woman looks out at the window constantly, clearly, which's why Spidey and MJ can never be together.

[PCN24454]

How do I word this….

What do you think a healthy relationship of equal partners looks like?

A relationship that doesn’t feel like he’s filling a quota. It feels like MJ is more there for Peter’s emotional needs rather than Peter being there for her. The Spider-Man excuse only goes so far.

It doesn’t help that most of friends are essentially from Peter’s social circle. It reinforces the idea that her life revolves around Peter.

[PCN24454]

I was talking about the idea that the relationship has a safety net rather than the idea that each partner needs a crutch for their emotions. But, what is wrong with using an emotional crutch now and then? It's better than being too proud to ask for help. (That is sometimes one of Peter's more off-putting character flaws.) The idea that you can get by without ever suffering emotional injury is a misguided idea of what emotional strength is.

When I was younger, so much younger than today
I never needed anybody's help in any way.
But now those days are gone I'm not so self-assured
Now I find I've changed my mind
I've opened up the doors. (Lennon, McCartney)

I think it's easier to live it than to explain it on a forum like this.
But the idea that a healthy relationship will have no tensions is not a good foundation for a healthy relationship.

It’s not that Peter can never have struggle. It’s that he seems to enjoy the struggle more than the relationship itself. This isn’t exclusive to MJ. It extends to all of his relationships.

[Kaitou D. Kid]

It’s not that Peter can never have struggle. It’s that he seems to enjoy the struggle more than the relationship itself. This isn’t exclusive to MJ. It extends to all of his relationships.

You keep saying this, but you never give examples.

There is no evidence a guy like Peter has this character trait, and plenty of evidence that he doesn't.

[TinkerSpider]

A relationship that doesn’t feel like he’s filling a quota. It feels like MJ is more there for Peter’s emotional needs rather than Peter being there for her. The Spider-Man excuse only goes so far.

It doesn’t help that most of friends are essentially from Peter’s social circle. It reinforces the idea that her life revolves around Peter.

You are completely moving the goalpost.

First you said this:

Because if the tension doesn’t go away then why were you in a relationship to begin with?

To which you received this reply:

This is... um... a starry eyed impression of how healthy relationships work. It's not about having no tensions; it's about trusting each other to catch each other when the tension gets too much.
We can do with more well-written depictions of healthy relationships.

And you then said:

That sounds like an emotional crutch which is kinda the problem.

So I repeat, while trying to choose my words carefully: what do you think a healthy relationship is?

This is not a reply to that; this is you moving the goalposts.

And anyway: you thinking it feels like a quota is your opinion; the text doesn't bear that out at all and I suggest you read JMD's run on Spectacular and JMS's run on Amazing because it's hard to see how anyone can read those runs and rationally make this assertion. Also, in healthy relationships people care about their partner's emotional needs.

As for MJ's friends: they're HER friends, too. Friends don't "belong" to one person over another and that's a really reductive and selfish view of friendship. She has her own relationship with Felicia outside of Peter, she was friends with Jill Stacy first, and I love that Carlie has pretty much become her supporting cast instead of Peter's. Also, MJ has her own life outside of Peter, always has since the Lee/Romita days which is part of the reason why she's such a successful character.

Honestly. Read the books.

[PCN24454]

You are completely moving the goalpost.

First you said this:


To which you received this reply:



And you then said:



So I repeat, while trying to choose my words carefully: what do you think a healthy relationship is?

This is not a reply to that; this is you moving the goalposts.

And anyway: you thinking it feels like a quota is your opinion; the text doesn't bear that out at all and I suggest you read JMD's run on Spectacular and JMS's run on Amazing because it's hard to see how anyone can read those runs and rationally make this assertion. Also, in healthy relationships people care about their partner's emotional needs.

As for MJ's friends: they're HER friends, too. Friends don't "belong" to one person over another and that's a really reductive and selfish view of friendship. She has her own relationship with Felicia outside of Peter, she was friends with Jill Stacy first, and I love that Carlie has pretty much become her supporting cast instead of Peter's. Also, MJ has her own life outside of Peter, always has since the Lee/Romita days which is part of the reason why she's such a successful character.

Honestly. Read the books.

You keep on saying read the books but they’re all he stories that I’m using as evidence. I was seriously unimpressed with their relationship there.