CBR: Shazam #1 is a lot of fun, with Billy teaming up with dinosaurs and hanging out on the Rock of Eternity. Without knocking the stories themselves, how was it moving from the more serious Shazam stories to a lighter, more fun Fawcett Comics-like tone?
Mark Waid: It was very important! With all due respect to Geoff [Johns] and all the other people who have worked on that character doing some really excellent work in the last few years, I felt like bringing that sense of whimsy was first and foremost. I remember that Geoff and I had a conversation 20 years ago about the book and treating the character with that sense of whimsy, which was really not something DC was terribly interested in doing 20 years ago in the height of grim and gritty.
I remember saying, at the time, "You either lean into it 100%, or you just don't do it. You make Tawky Tawny what he is, a talking tiger. You do intelligent worms and the Rock of Eternity, or you don't do it at all." This is finally my chance to put my money where my mouth was.
We also see Freddy Freeman here, who has been on the periphery lately. What do you think Freddy brings with his friendship to Billy Batson?
There's a slight cynicism that he can bring to the stories. He's an operator. He's the guy who knows a guy who knows a guy. That plays off Billy's natural innocence. Billy is not a wide-eyed, completely innocent dope. He knows the world, but Freddy knows a different side of the world.
This comes about a decade after Geoff Johns and Gary Frank redefined the Shazam family.
Originally in the Golden Age Shazam family, they all had the same personality. All the Shazam characters, with the exception of Uncle Dudley, had the same personality. Geoff did a nice job of differentiating them.
Geoff and Gary made Billy a more streetwise kid, going as far as to lie to prospective foster parents in their first issue. Did you want to take those changes and run with them or make some changes yourself?
I changed them up a little bit, but not much. I mostly like Freddy being that character. Billy certainly has some streetwise experience, but for me, he works best as a guy who's not dumb or innocent but hungry for new experiences. He's eager to jump into a world that's strange, wild, and crazy like the Captain's is. To make him too streetwise or cynical takes away from that sense of wonder that he has. We use that sense of wonder and communicate that to the readership.
This is a fun issue, but there's still a sense of danger with shadowy figures in the Rock of Eternity. It also comes off the heels of the wizard Shazam being a bit of a jerk lately.
Yeah, he has, but I think he and Billy made up in the last few pages of the Lazarus Planet crossover. I don't see him as a villain, so whoever is lurking in the shadows is not him.
What can you tease for Shazam! and Batman/Superman: World's Finest?
With Shazam!, once we're done with this story arc, which has Gorilla City showing up soon and an old Doom Patrol villain called Garguax, who is the Emperor of the Moon -- the Captain accidentally starts a war between Gorilla City and the Moon. That's a big part of what's coming up. After that, we have a Batman character -- not necessarily a Batman villain --someone on the cusp of villain/hero showing up in Shazam! and start things there in a crazy way. Dan Mora wanted to use the character in World's Finest, and tonally, I wasn't sure it was a good fit for World's Finest, but it's great for Shazam!