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[Lukmendes]

I fear Ben will not have that luck

Considering that Ben isn't that popular as a character to be fixed, yeah...

You're right. I don't know what I was thinking.

I do understand that, by being already a fan, one has more patience than usual for bad stuff, specially if you're hoping for it to get better.

I've been there myself, experience taught be to drop stuff earlier.

My two favorite Marvel characters are Ben Reilly and T’Challa. Marvel seems go-hung on destroying/ruining both of these characters. Because I can leave a story not finished, I’m buying this Dark Fate Finale (and the last two issues of the current Panther run) and I’m going on my personal boycott of Marvel comics. I boycotted the main 616 Spider-Man titles after they killed Ben and didn’t pick it up again until Peter unmasked for Civil War… and I pretty much dropped it early in Spencer’s run. This with Ben? I’m done. I’m just gonna pretend that Ben went MIA after Spidergeddon after getting “fixed” and let his adventures end there.

Even if they “fix” Ben I doubt I’ll ever collect Spider-Man again. They could easily print Money by giving fans what they want, but it seems as if they just did this out of Spite. So. I’m a lil bitter, and I’m done.

The capitalized "S" in "spite" made me think that would be a pretty fitting name for a symbiote .

But yeah, I doubt it's spite, I get the feeling they're just going for Brevoort's disgusting sales method, which is, pissing off fans for short term sales increase.

Worst part is that if Marvel doesn’t realize their mistake here, using this as an opportunity for Ben to pick himself up and rise triumphantly and instead double down, this ending is just gonna make things even worse for Ben.

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Once Ben is imprisoned, Spidey offers to help and Ben refuses

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The ONLY mildly positive thing I’ll say about it is
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Peter is pretty compassionate to Ben throughout, which is saying something considering what a monster they turned Ben into. Peter still tries to connect with him even when he’s in the Limbo prison at the end of the issue. So that’s an improvement over Peter being a complete jerkass and referring to him as his “evil clone” during Clone Conspiracy.

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From what I hear, Spidey under Wells is overly compassionate (I hear he forgave JJ while saying he had good intentions when spending those years tormenting Spidey, which's, ridiculous), so it'd be more surprising if he wasn't compassionate here, but then again, Wells' writing could mean he very much could tell Ben to **** off. Clone Conspiracy was an understandable situation to be fair, he did give Ben a chance there, and then Ben decides to kill everyone on the planet...

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Well hopefully Peter treats it as his responsibility to stay in contact with Ben and do what he can to help his brother back to the light now that he knows that he’s alive and exactly where to find him. Though who am I kidding? Knowing Marvel they’ll probably have Ben break out or be broken out and swear vengeance on Peter or something stupid like that. Also, dick move throwing him into a Limbo prison after how Limbo was shown to be affecting his dreams back at the start of this.

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It's talked about like the cell is actually a nice place, so it possibly doesn't give him nightmares anymore, but who knows, maybe it still does...

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Anyways, I read the issue, it sucks.

[Daibhidh]

I hear he forgave JJ while saying he had good intentions when spending those years tormenting Spidey, which's, ridiculous

He'd already reconciled with Jameson in Zdarsky's run, which is considered one of the best Spider-man stories of the 2010s (admittedly it's not up against stiff competition). Wells having Peter forgive Jameson in his run is just ignoring that emotional beat in favour of his own far less meaningful because less risky emotional beat.

[scarletspidey]

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Once Ben is imprisoned, Spidey offers to help and Ben refuses

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how does this make an iota of sense?!?

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why the **** would he refuse getting what he wants

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dumb story telling

[Kurolegacy]

how does this make an iota of sense?!?

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why the **** would he refuse getting what he wants

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dumb story telling

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Wells probably justifies it as that Ben doesn’t trust anyone other than Janine after Maddie’s “betrayal”.

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[Matt Rat]

According to contacts that got in touch with the Crawlspace community, the ending of the book was originally planned for Hellions, yet Wells barely wrote the lead time for it.

[Jman27]

overall if you are an X-men fan this event is good for you but if you are a Spider-man fan things could have been way much better

[sunofdarkchild]

overall if you are an X-men fan this event is good for you but if you are a Spider-man fan things could have been way much better

Even if you're an X-Man fan it's not good. Jean and Forge are just Mary Sues and no one else matters, and somehow Magik is an afterthought in a story about the person she put in charge of Limbo betraying her trust and launching a demon invasion of New York. Then you've got the destruction of Belasco and the Soul Sword that's going on in Mary Jane and Black Cat. Only the most extreme Jean Grey stans who think she's absolutely perfect could get anything out of this.

[Matt Rat]

Now I know what was meant by there being hope for Ben

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According to Madeline, he took ownership of the attack on New York, so she rewards him with comfortable accommodations

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[Mercwmouth12]

Now I know what was meant by there being hope for Ben

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According to Madeline, he took ownership of the attack on New York, so she rewards him with comfortable accommodations

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But that guy is Dead there's only Chasm

[Batman Begins 2005]

Poor Ben Reilly. After all Slott, PAD and Wells has done to you. Thank God for JMD. Reilly should have stayed dead.

I really hate this TASM (Vol.6) run. The absolute shits.

[Frontier]

Now I know what was meant by there being hope for Ben

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According to Madeline, he took ownership of the attack on New York, so she rewards him with comfortable accommodations

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Conveniently letting her off the hook. How heroic.

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[CaptainUniverse]

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Conveniently letting her off the hook. How heroic.

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The X-Men are clearly in it for themselves these days, they don't seem to care about right or wrong anymore.

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[Frontier]

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The X-Men are clearly in it for themselves these days, they don't seem to care about right or wrong anymore.

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I see your point but it really depends on the writers.

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[Lukmendes]

He'd already reconciled with Jameson in Zdarsky's run, which is considered one of the best Spider-man stories of the 2010s (admittedly it's not up against stiff competition). Wells having Peter forgive Jameson in his run is just ignoring that emotional beat in favour of his own far less meaningful because less risky emotional beat.

Assuming that what Wells did is another "I forgive you JJ" scene (From what I heard it sounds like he's reinforcing it), then it's kinda funny he tries to re-do something someone else did, 'cause I do hear that Madelyne was trying to redeem herself in New Mutants, and then we get Dark Web...

how does this make an iota of sense?!?

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why the **** would he refuse getting what he wants

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dumb story telling

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Spidey only vaguely offered to help, but it's never specifically said he wants to help restore Ben's memories. I can understand why they would rather not give Spidey's memories to Ben when he's being a villain with no desire to redeem himself, but yeah...

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overall if you are an X-men fan this event is good for you but if you are a Spider-man fan things could have been way much better

I understand, enough, of the X-Men side, and even from that angle the story's whatever.

It's significantly less offensive for the X-Men side, but calling this "good", uh, yeah...

Even if you're an X-Man fan it's not good. Jean and Forge are just Mary Sues and no one else matters, and somehow Magik is an afterthought in a story about the person she put in charge of Limbo betraying her trust and launching a demon invasion of New York. Then you've got the destruction of Belasco and the Soul Sword that's going on in Mary Jane and Black Cat. Only the most extreme Jean Grey stans who think she's absolutely perfect could get anything out of this.

As much as Jean's ass gets kissed, it's nothing compared to Madelyne, she benefits from this far more than anyone else.

The story makes it look like Madelyne was just a sad woman who only had sad things happen to her, to the point in Dark Web: X-Men, her motivations boil down to "She's sad she lacks the memories of her baby".

While this is an understandable motivation, it completely glosses over how in Inferno she tried to kill this baby.

Also, her kid is Cable, who's very much still alive and hanging around Krakoa, yet, she makes no attempt to talk with him, this makes it look like Madelyne only cares about the idea of baby Cable, and doesn't really care about Cable himself.

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And then we get this issue, where Madelyne manages to make Limbo into an embassy, where she makes it clear she threatened USA of A into accepting it, and everyone else is just okay with it.

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Overall, the bad things Madelyne has done before, and done during this very story, are all glossed over.

Now I know what was meant by there being hope for Ben

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According to Madeline, he took ownership of the attack on New York, so she rewards him with comfortable accommodations

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That could just mean he admitted it 'cause there wasn't much else, or just an attempt to get on Madelyne's good side after fucking up. Specially considering he refuses Spidey's help, it's not a lot of hope...

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Conveniently letting her off the hook. How heroic.

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From what I hear X-Men used to demonize Madelyne a bit too much, and, even if that's true, the solution to fix it is not the exact fucking opposite...

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The X-Men are clearly in it for themselves these days, they don't seem to care about right or wrong anymore.

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I'd say that part got better after a while, but uh, yeah...

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[CaptainUniverse]

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I'd say that part got better after a while, but uh, yeah...

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Did it? It doesn't feel like it, but then again Wells is writing this so...

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I see your point but it really depends on the writers.

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