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[dornwolf]

In essence, Rek-Rap is replacing Ben as Spidey’s “clone” but Wells is trying to make him more distinct by slightly resembling Miles’ clone Shift. It’s dumb but if Ben kills him then Spidey has a silly reason to hate Ben… if he lives, then we get more cringey stories about a character called Rek-Rap. It’s a lose-lose situation!

Rek-rap is a waste of space and makes no sense. We have to ditch Ben because there’s apparently no room for him but we’re fine creating another Spider-clone type character for reasons. Even the possible reasons of being the Spider-man of Limbo could be given to Ben

[Lukmendes]

She has the same storyarc over and over again, like Gohan

Has she been redeemed as many times as "Gohan stops training, becomes strong, then stops training"?

Gohan did that on Boo saga, Resurrection of F, and Super Hero, so that's three times lol.

Anyways, the mentions of this "Rek-rap" make me think he's not an actual character and y'all started a weird internal joke about stupid things Wells would do.

Or maybe that's my denial speaking .

[Sr. Bungle]

Has she been redeemed as many times as "Gohan stops training, becomes strong, then stops training"?

Gohan did that on Boo saga, Resurrection of F, and Super Hero, so that's three times lol.
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Two times in the last months at least.

I just remembered when Madiie was trying to seduce Nate Gey. Gross.

[Huntsman Spider]

The only thing I appreciate about this is Spider-Man and the X-Men teaming up again. I don't appreciate that it's come at the expense of literally demonizing The Chasm Formerly Known as Ben Reilly, while Madelyne Pryor gets a (however much-deserved) redemption story where she finally reconciles with her genetic template and lets go of the resentment she had toward her. There was no good reason this event couldn't have redeemed them both, as their core issues were rather similar --- clones who felt abandoned and tormented by the world as lesser forms of life and ultimately lashed out because of that, determined to prove they were just as real and legitimate as anyone else despite how they came to exist. Like with Madelyne, this could've and should've been a perfect opportunity to finally rectify decades of erasure and then maltreatment of Ben Reilly as a character, but instead, we got this sick farce from Wells, while Ewing (with Ram V) and Duggan were able to wring genuine pathos out of Venom's and Madelyne's roles here.

[Jman27]

Has she been redeemed as many times as "Gohan stops training, becomes strong, then stops training"?

Gohan did that on Boo saga, Resurrection of F, and Super Hero, so that's three times lol.

Anyways, the mentions of this "Rek-rap" make me think he's not an actual character and y'all started a weird internal joke about stupid things Wells would do.

Or maybe that's my denial speaking .

gohan did enough training in superhero actually

[Huntsman Spider]

Two times in the last months at least.

I just remembered when Madiie was trying to seduce Nate Gey. Gross.

Yeah, that was f***ed up. At least half of that was later retconned as an evil version of Jean Grey from another universe who'd killed and replaced her (easy enough as a telepath, since one could just absorb the memories of their victim), but still.

[Kurolegacy]

You know, the ge fact that this is set up to have Peter confront Ben with a parody of himself after Lowe said that there’s no room for Ben honestly feels like a massive middle finger to Ben and his fans.

[CaptainUniverse]

Can't we just rewind back to the beginning of Beyond and start over? Like...maybe just flat out reveal that Mr. Beyond is behind all of this (What Peter Did, Ben losing his mind, Paul and the kids, etc) and that's why nothing makes sense?

[Lukmendes]

Two times in the last months at least.

Would the "last months" include the New Mutants one? 'Cause I hear it happened there, but I haven't really checked out those comics.

I just remembered when Madiie was trying to seduce Nate Gey. Gross.

I have heard that fans were actively shipping this back then lol.

Like, I know that technically they're not related, since at best he can be described as Cable's counterpart, but isn't Madelyne's son in this one, but, still, weird...

The only thing I appreciate about this is Spider-Man and the X-Men teaming up again. I don't appreciate that it's come at the expense of literally demonizing The Chasm Formerly Known as Ben Reilly, while Madelyne Pryor gets a (however much-deserved) redemption story where she finally reconciles with her genetic template and lets go of the resentment she had toward her. There was no good reason this event couldn't have redeemed them both, as their core issues were rather similar --- clones who felt abandoned and tormented by the world as lesser forms of life and ultimately lashed out because of that, determined to prove they were just as real and legitimate as anyone else despite how they came to exist. Like with Madelyne, this could've and should've been a perfect opportunity to finally rectify decades of erasure and then maltreatment of Ben Reilly as a character, but instead, we got this sick farce from Wells, while Ewing (with Ram V) and Duggan were able to wring genuine pathos out of Venom's and Madelyne's roles here.

Trying to make Madelyne as a super sad character on redemption is really, really, really iffy.

Like, she wanted to have Jean's memories of when she raised Cable, which's nice and all, but completely ignores that Madelyne herself was very willing to kill Cable back in Inferno.

Plus, it's not like Cable is dead, he's around, and she makes no effort to try to connect with him, she just wants the memories of when he was a baby, which makes it look like she only cares about the idea of baby Cable instead of actually loving him.

Not to mention that after she realizes Jean was willing to help her out all along, she kinda becomes good and remorseful within 10 seconds, and this is the same Madelyne that thought it was fun to see a mail box eating someone.

So yeah, she gets a redemption, but it's the classic half assed one that is "I was sad once, that means everything I did was okay", and I'm sure there's a comment you can make about how a woman is reduced to thinking with her womb here too lol.

And if what y'all are saying is true, it's even worse to make her look like the most redeemable one between her and Ben, she has been a bigger sadist between both for a long time, and in Dark Web itself she's even the one who starts this demon invasion, and dialogue she had with Ben back in that Free Comic Book Day 2022 Spider-Man/Venom indicates she's the one who reached out to him, so it's clear she was the one with the plans to do fucked up ****, and she's the more redeemable one? Give me a break.

Also I will point out once again that this idea that her and Ben have a lot in common is recent, "clones who felt abandoned and tormented" is more of Madelyne's problem than it is Ben's, because Ben was treated fine by people around him, and while Jackal treated him like ****, he does that with everyone, it's Zeb Wells who decided to force this idea that they have a lot in common, when their similarities to each other before Beyond were superficial (Created by some ******* overly obsessed with genetics, and if you want to take a look out of universe, Marvel killed them both because they're clones and therefore disposable, but that doesn't apply in-universe), Ben had a very different life from Madelyne and reacted to bad **** going on very differently, and he never lashed out on the world like she did until Beyond (Even Clone Conspiracy was a very misguided attempt at doing good).

gohan did enough training in superhero actually

Eh, "I secretly practiced doing makankosappo" is an asspull, and it doesn't even do much for the plot considering most of it makes it clear he hasn't been doing any real training 'cause he has a bug obsession now...

Yeah, that was f***ed up. At least half of that was later retconned as an evil version of Jean Grey from another universe who'd killed and replaced her (easy enough as a telepath, since one could just absorb the memories of their victim), but still.

Didn't 616 Madelyne have an interest in Nate anyways? Lol.

You know, the ge fact that this is set up to have Peter confront Ben with a parody of himself after Lowe said that there’s no room for Ben honestly feels like a massive middle finger to Ben and his fans.

"A middle finger to Ben and his fans" is the story of the fans' life.

Can't we just rewind back to the beginning of Beyond and start over? Like...maybe just flat out reveal that Mr. Beyond is behind all of this (What Peter Did, Ben losing his mind, Paul and the kids, etc) and that's why nothing makes sense?

Could always say it's Beyond Corporation transporting the characters to an alternate reality to do weird ****, they have done that before lol.

[CaptainUniverse]

Could always say it's Beyond Corporation transporting the characters to an alternate reality to do weird ****, they have done that before lol.

Totally! That was the basis of Nextwave! Spider-Man Beyond should have been followed with Spider-Man: Nextwave. That would have been awesome, this? Not so much. Also let there be a pox on Rek-Rap!

[The Negative Zone]

The biggest offense of all however is having a Christmas storyline wayyyy after Christmas is concluded!

[Huntsman Spider]

Would the "last months" include the New Mutants one? 'Cause I hear it happened there, but I haven't really checked out those comics.



I have heard that fans were actively shipping this back then lol.

Like, I know that technically they're not related, since at best he can be described as Cable's counterpart, but isn't Madelyne's son in this one, but, still, weird...



Trying to make Madelyne as a super sad character on redemption is really, really, really iffy.

Like, she wanted to have Jean's memories of when she raised Cable, which's nice and all, but completely ignores that Madelyne herself was very willing to kill Cable back in Inferno.

Plus, it's not like Cable is dead, he's around, and she makes no effort to try to connect with him, she just wants the memories of when he was a baby, which makes it look like she only cares about the idea of baby Cable instead of actually loving him.

Not to mention that after she realizes Jean was willing to help her out all along, she kinda becomes good and remorseful within 10 seconds, and this is the same Madelyne that thought it was fun to see a mail box eating someone.

So yeah, she gets a redemption, but it's the classic half assed one that is "I was sad once, that means everything I did was okay", and I'm sure there's a comment you can make about how a woman is reduced to thinking with her womb here too lol.

And if what y'all are saying is true, it's even worse to make her look like the most redeemable one between her and Ben, she has been a bigger sadist between both for a long time, and in Dark Web itself she's even the one who starts this demon invasion, and dialogue she had with Ben back in that Free Comic Book Day 2022 Spider-Man/Venom indicates she's the one who reached out to him, so it's clear she was the one with the plans to do fucked up ****, and she's the more redeemable one? Give me a break.

Also I will point out once again that this idea that her and Ben have a lot in common is recent, "clones who felt abandoned and tormented" is more of Madelyne's problem than it is Ben's, because Ben was treated fine by people around him, and while Jackal treated him like ****, he does that with everyone, it's Zeb Wells who decided to force this idea that they have a lot in common, when their similarities to each other before Beyond were superficial (Created by some ******* overly obsessed with genetics, and if you want to take a look out of universe, Marvel killed them both because they're clones and therefore disposable, but that doesn't apply in-universe), Ben had a very different life from Madelyne and reacted to bad **** going on very differently, and he never lashed out on the world like she did until Beyond (Even Clone Conspiracy was a very misguided attempt at doing good).



Eh, "I secretly practiced doing makankosappo" is an asspull, and it doesn't even do much for the plot considering most of it makes it clear he hasn't been doing any real training 'cause he has a bug obsession now...



Didn't 616 Madelyne have an interest in Nate anyways? Lol.



"A middle finger to Ben and his fans" is the story of the fans' life.



Could always say it's Beyond Corporation transporting the characters to an alternate reality to do weird ****, they have done that before lol.

You raise good and valid points there.

[IamnotJudasTraveller]

[Alex_Of_X]

dammit this is what this forum is for

Heh!

Fellas, Gals, Non-binary pals, hear me out here. I've a theory to exposit. We've got a story centering Peter Parker, Unhinged Ben Reilly and a striving to be a hero Norman Osborn. Flip the roles a bit, and it starts to look familiar, no?

I've a feeling we're doing a cover song on Ben's original demise. Ben being out the picture makes sense--he's missing from the Hallow's Eve solicit. And it kinda sorta gives her a mission of revenge.

Well? Do y'all think I'm cooking something, or is it just the gas leak next door?

[Sr. Bungle]

I laughed IRL.

They said the first fight against was going to be the caraziest fight ever, so I read "crazier" as "stupider"