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    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    They didn't have a backup of Steve Rogers either, yet he was resurrected using the Ressurection Protocols... And, with his Adamantium/Vibranium shield no less
    they had to have had a backup of him. It makes more sense that they backed up all the heroes involved in Judgement Day that joined the battle knowing that death was imminent. Xavier wouldnt have had a reason to have Sharon backed up at the time of her death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    they had to have had a backup of him. It makes more sense that they backed up all the heroes involved in Judgement Day that joined the battle knowing that death was imminent. Xavier wouldnt have had a reason to have Sharon backed up at the time of her death
    Yeah, Rogers agreed to the plan and since Xavier was backing up Nightcrawler in real time, it's safe to assume Xavier backed Rogers up on the spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    they had to have had a backup of him. It makes more sense that they backed up all the heroes involved in Judgement Day that joined the battle knowing that death was imminent. Xavier wouldnt have had a reason to have Sharon backed up at the time of her death
    Like they couldn't just time travel to the past, do a quick scan and go home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    Yeah, Rogers agreed to the plan and since Xavier was backing up Nightcrawler in real time, it's safe to assume Xavier backed Rogers up on the spot.
    Steve Rogers wasn't the only baseline human hero who died during Judgment day... What about those people? Was Xavier being prejudicial when he only chose Rogers for resurrection saying the hell with the rest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    Steve Rogers wasn't the only baseline human hero who died during Judgment day... What about those people? Was Xavier being prejudicial when he only chose Rogers for resurrection saying the hell with the rest?
    Yes. We know Xavier is canonically a jerk. Besides not all humans can be brought back. That is a plotpoint that is mentioned in the resolution. Jean says she will personally backup human minds for the Phoenix Foundation so ultimately its to her discretion. I guess she is prejudicial in that regard too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Yes. We know Xavier is canonically a jerk. Besides not all humans can be brought back. That is a plotpoint that is mentioned in the resolution. Jean says she will personally backup human minds for the Phoenix Foundation so ultimately its to her discretion. I guess she is prejudicial in that regard too

    If one baseline human can be resurrected then all baseline humans can be resurrected. Steve Rogers isn't special...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    If one baseline human can be resurrected then all baseline humans can be resurrected. Steve Rogers isn't special...
    No one said he is special. Krakoa physically cant resurrect every human. As Jean said:



    There is already a mutant queue that is going to take over a decade to get through. Cerebro doesnt automatically backup human minds which means that part will be done manually. Jean and the other psychics dont have the capacity to be backuping up every mind all the time which is why its a selective process. Its also mentioned that 5% of the Five's workload would be dedicated to this. It's impossible to resurrect everyone. They dont even have capacity to do so for every mutant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    they had to have had a backup of him. It makes more sense that they backed up all the heroes involved in Judgement Day that joined the battle knowing that death was imminent. Xavier wouldnt have had a reason to have Sharon backed up at the time of her death
    Sounds good but, how do you explain away Rogers's shield being backed up and resurrected with him? Moreover, now that I think about it -- aren't there two somewhat identical shields in existence now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    No one said he is special. Krakoa physically cant resurrect every human. As Jean said:


    There is already a mutant queue that is going to take over a decade to get through. Cerebro doesnt automatically backup human minds which means that part will be done manually. Jean and the other psychics dont have the capacity to be backuping up every mind all the time which is why its a selective process. Its also mentioned that 5% of the Five's workload would be dedicated to this. It's impossible to resurrect everyone. They dont even have capacity to do so for every mutant
    • Since when have the X-Psychics been responsible for backing up anyone to Cerebro?
    • Is there an in-story reason why Cerebro can't be configured to back-up human minds automatically alongside mutant minds or why another unit can't be built to do so? What about the Forge-built Cerebra unit? Surely that AI can be repurposed exclusively for baseline humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    If one baseline human can be resurrected then all baseline humans can be resurrected. Steve Rogers isn't special...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Grayson View Post
    Given by what's happened to Moira, it's probably best that humans friends of the X-Men are left out of everything
    Moira’s a mutant
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARkadelphia View Post
    Moira’s a mutant
    thats the point. We all thought she was a human until she wasnt...

    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    • Since when have the X-Psychics been responsible for backing up anyone to Cerebro?
    • Is there an in-story reason why Cerebro can't be configured to back-up human minds automatically alongside mutant minds or why another unit can't be built to do so? What about the Forge-built Cerebra unit? Surely that AI can be repurposed exclusively for baseline humans.
    Since the beginning. Cerebro automatically bckups mutants; it doesnt do so for humans and that has to be done manually. All the characters that go through the Crucible are registered as baseline human and get manually backed up prior to the the Crucible. Besides Jean herself says here that she will personally be backing up the humans so there is nothing to argue here. It comes out her mouth.

    Could Forge do so? Maybe but why would he? It would be an inefficient use of space and create alot of noise. Every mutant that is backed up will theoretically be used at some point. Not every human will. If we think of Cerebro as a harddrive, aut-backing up every human would just create alot of junk data which could potentially make things prone to error

    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    Sounds good but, how do you explain away Rogers's shield being backed up and resurrected with him? Moreover, now that I think about it -- aren't there two somewhat identical shields in existence now?
    Im pretty sure there are multiple shields. The shield wasnt backed up. The most likely reason it appeared was bc of Proteus, whom has been used as the explanation for how inorganic material has emerged from the pods
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzerox21xx View Post
    Sharon Friedlander was killed by the Acolytes and it would be a opportunity to solved a race swap issue from long ago to have her come back in her original body. Tom Corsi is still alive, not sure if he would be willing to die just to be resurrected. I'm sure there are other human allies to the mutants that were killed either by evil mutants or bigoted fellow humans.
    In my own personal headcanon, TC and SF became avatars/horcruxes of Demon Bear which is why they became ethnically Native American , and thus the supernatural power of DB (cosmic coincidence it sounds exactly like that OTHER classic resurrection technique!) resurrects them when they die, for the rest of time while their magical patron entity still exists LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    Steve Rogers wasn't the only baseline human hero who died during Judgment day... What about those people? Was Xavier being prejudicial when he only chose Rogers for resurrection saying the hell with the rest?
    Nah, bringing him back was specific to the plan and path Destiny saw. It had to be him in that moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    No one said he is special. Krakoa physically cant resurrect every human. As Jean said:



    There is already a mutant queue that is going to take over a decade to get through. Cerebro doesnt automatically backup human minds which means that part will be done manually. Jean and the other psychics dont have the capacity to be backuping up every mind all the time which is why its a selective process. Its also mentioned that 5% of the Five's workload would be dedicated to this. It's impossible to resurrect everyone. They dont even have capacity to do so for every mutant
    I think I'd buy into that "We have to bring back our people," argument a bit more if they weren't also bringing back the people that killed them in the first place.

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