Red Skull vs Joker

[MichaelC]

Month of prep for both sides.

[Shellhead]

Because of the prep, I give this to the Red Skull. The Joker sometimes does prep, but his natural tendency is to improvise on the fly. When the Red Skull preps, he does stuff like conquering Latveria, or squeezing out a Cosmic Cube, or taking a Cabinet-level position with the U.S. government. Come to think of it, the interaction between Red Skull and Cap is a mirror image of the interaction between Batman and Joker.

[Alan2099]

Joker is good at killing a lot of people without getting caught, but Red Skull tends to go bigger and with more weapons.

[Huntsman Spider]

"I may be a criminal lunatic, but I'm an American criminal lunatic!"

[Sharpandpointies]

"I may be a criminal lunatic, but I'm an American criminal lunatic!"

Kind of weird (and disturbing) how that plays out these days.

[Shai-Hulud]

Because of the prep, I give this to the Red Skull. The Joker sometimes does prep, but his natural tendency is to improvise on the fly. When the Red Skull preps, he does stuff like conquering Latveria, or squeezing out a Cosmic Cube, or taking a Cabinet-level position with the U.S. government.

And the movie versions reflect this.

Heath Ledger Joker blows up hospitals and ferry boats; Hugo Weaving Red Skull gets ahold of the "tesseract" (an infinity stone), and tries to vaporize capital cities.

Even if this were a no-prep arena match, many versions of the Skull have him jacked on super-soldier serum.

[Huntsman Spider]

Kind of weird (and disturbing) how that plays out these days.

Oh, yeah, true.

[Slade1]

And the movie versions reflect this.

Heath Ledger Joker blows up hospitals and ferry boats; Hugo Weaving Red Skull gets ahold of the "tesseract" (an infinity stone), and tries to vaporize capital cities.

Even if this were a no-prep arena match, many versions of the Skull have him jacked on super-soldier serum.

This is not always the case. Emperor Joker and Joker with the Worlogog comes to mind.

[Captain Smith]

The best outcome is for Red Skull to kill Joker as Bats is too chicken poopy to do that. As far as the fight, who knows. If we discard super duper tech, Skull has the advantage.

[Sharkerbob]

This is not always the case. Emperor Joker and Joker with the Worlogog comes to mind.

I believe in both cases, he was basically just handed those powers, or snatched them from someone else on the fly, he didn't really prep for them.

[Slade1]

I believe in both cases, he was basically just handed those powers, or snatched them from someone else on the fly, he didn't really prep for them.

I didn’t say he did. I was more referring to that we should use standard Joker and Red Skull.

[Sharkerbob]

I didn’t say he did. I was more referring to that we should use standard Joker and Red Skull.

Ah, yes, that's fair.

[Beadle]

I didn’t say he did. I was more referring to that we should use standard Joker and Red Skull.

I’d argue super-soldier-serum-fuelled Skull is the standard these days. Has been since the 80s, when Arnim Zola cloned Steve’s body for him in CA#300 (I think).

[Slade1]

I’d argue super-soldier-serum-fuelled Skull is the standard these days. Has been since the 80s, when Arnim Zola cloned Steve’s body for him in CA#300 (I think).

I’m cool with that.

[Aura Blaize]

Didn't Joker out maneuver Lex Luthor and the Legion of Doom, pretty much having them all at his mercy just to prove the point that Batman Who Laughs was even worse?

I still think Skull takes this, but Joker's no real slouch when it comes to prep either.