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    You know, I would like to see a visiting to the Wildstorm universe post World's End. And an alternative WIldstorm where the Number of the beast/world's End never happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Hunter View Post
    Batman in some epic battle is mortally wounded. He is able to get back to the cave where he summons Dick, Jason, and Tim (this is a point before Damian was introduced). To the surprise of Dick and Tim Bruce asks Jason to take up the mantle. He tells Dick you have your own life and identity and shouldn't try to be him. The same with Tim in your young yet and need to make your own way and choices. He tells Jason he is the one most like him with the dedication to the mission and that is why he is choosing him. Jason swears to him he will strive to live up to be the man Bruce thinks he can be as Bruce passes away. We then pick up a year latter with jason as the new Batman with Tim still working at his side.

    So this is the What if Jason Todd became Batman world.
    I can see two outcomes here. Both are not good for Jason. In the first, he stays true to Bruce, and tries his best to hold up to his ideals, despite how heavy the mantle is. However, not being Bruce, and always trying to curb his own more extreme tendencies, Jason ends up being seen as weak by his enemies and even by a new pretender to the role. Jean Paul Varley, who ends up killing Tim and Jason, and taking over the mantle of the Bat, transforming Gotham into a real police state.
    The second, and, frankly, the most obvious, scenario is Jason tries to do things his own way, and goes off the deep end, becomming more and more violent, forcing Dick to come back and take the mantle from him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aarkus View Post
    how about a variation of OG Earth 2, in which the JSA and All-Stars never disbanded after WWII... who would carry on, who would retire when, who would still have kids, whose kids would take up the "family business"...
    Had COIE never taken place, I always thought this is what Earth 2 would turn out to be:

    Justice Society of America – A rejuvenated team, mixing the experience of older members, who have managed to hold on to their youth and vitality and new talent.

    • Dr Fate - Kent Nelson. Eternally young. Elder statesman.
    • Green Lantern – Alan Scott. Rejuvenated by power ring.
    • Wonder Woman – Diana Prince. Rejuvenated and re-granted immortality by the gods, after husband’s death.
    • Plastic Man – Eel O’Brian. Ages much slower due to powers.
    • Robotman – temporarily re-activated through cyber-link when human body is taken abed after accident. Replaced by:
    • Sandman II – Sanderson Hawkins takes over after the death of the original. Geo-morph powers. The new leader.
    • Vartox – Earth 2’s version of the hero. Black man. Team’s powerhouse.
    • Jessie Quick – daughter of Johnny Quick.
    • Huntress – Helena Wayne. Liaison with Infinity Inc.
    • Star-Spangled Kid II – Courtney takes over, with the approval of the original.
    • Jin Ni Thunderbolt – Successor of Johnny Thunder and inheritor of the real Thunderbolt genie.

    Reservists –

    • The Flash – Still active, due to link with the speed force.
    • Stripes – Pat Dugan is still young due to time travel mechanics. He uses robot armor to watch over stepdaughter Courtney.
    • Power-Girl – No time to be active member due to responsibilities inherited from Superman when he retired permanently.

    Infinity Inc. - The west-coast based team of adventurers. A new Generation set on doing things its own way.

    • Skyman – Sylvester Pemberton. The leader, flight and gravity manipulating powers due to the cosmic converter belt built into his suit.
    • Silver Scarab – Hector Hall. Solar powered armor made of Nth metal.
    • Nuklon – Albert Rothstein. Strength and density control.
    • Jade – Jennie-Lynn Hayden. Power pulse.
    • Fury – Lyta Trevor. Amazonian abilities.
    • Obsidian – Todd Rice. Shadow control.
    • Brainwave II – Henry King Jr. Vast array of mental powers.
    • La Garro – Yolanda Montez. Feline attributes.
    • Dr. Midnite II – Beth Chapel. Skilled blind surgeon.
    • Hourman II – Rick Tyler. One hour of power.

    Reservists –

    • Starman II – Jack Knight. Part-time super-hero. Or maybe, David Knight.
    • Northwind – Norda Cantrell. Deceased.
    • Jonni Thunder – Detective occasionally possessed by an alien electrical being.


    All-Star International -

    • Richard “Robin” Grayson – U.S.A. Financial Backer + trainer. Usually doesn’t go on missions.
    • Wildcat – U.S.A. Ted Grant. Field Leader + trainer. 9 lives.
    • Shinning Knight – England. Sir Justin. Trainer. Kept young due to time travel mechanics.
    • Squire – England. Young female tech-genius.
    • Deep Blue – Japan. Daughter of Tsunami. Powers similar to her mother’s.
    • Amazing Man II - U.S.A. Will Everett III. Grandson of the original. Powers similar to the grandfather’s.
    • T.N.T II – Canada. Charlie Bullock. Given explosive rings by Wildcat. Explosive punches.
    • Spear Maiden. – Germany. Teenage girl possessed by the spirit of Gundra, the Valkyrie.
    • Red Fire. – Russia. Male descendant of the wartime hero.
    • Mr. Alpha. – Australia. Descendant of the super-villain of the same name. Superman level powers.


    Peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aarkus View Post
    also, if Jenny & Todd's mom got proper mental health treatment and was able to co-parent them with Alan, then maybe Todd would also be less unstable.
    Proper Mental Health Treatment in Gotham City? Theres more of a chance that Jade and Todd are birthed in Arkham lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant God View Post
    Proper Mental Health Treatment in Gotham City? Theres more of a chance that Jade and Todd are birthed in Arkham lol
    maybe Gotham didn't turn into such a shithole in this reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aarkus View Post
    maybe Gotham didn't turn into such a shithole in this reality
    I don't know now, I kind of like the idea of Alan Scott/Green Lantern villains and his wife being in Arkham, a Golden Age version of Arkham Asylum. Even Solomon Grundy was originally an Alan Scott villain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant God View Post
    I don't know now, I kind of like the idea of Alan Scott/Green Lantern villains and his wife being in Arkham, a Golden Age version of Arkham Asylum. Even Solomon Grundy was originally an Alan Scott villain.
    I think all of that could still happen without turning it into the same horror-show it became in other realities... I personally find the idea of one reality with a Gotham City that's less corrupt and crime-ridden, more interesting than "it's always one of the darkest places on any earth, because Batman"...
    this could even become a plot point in some later multiversal crossover - some despot from another reality believes a "bright" Gotham disrupts the "natural order" of things, and targets this reality specifically to either corrupt or erase it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomads1 View Post
    Had COIE never taken place, I always thought this is what Earth 2 would turn out to be:

    Justice Society of America – A rejuvenated team, mixing the experience of older members, who have managed to hold on to their youth and vitality and new talent.

    • Dr Fate - Kent Nelson. Eternally young. Elder statesman.
    • Green Lantern – Alan Scott. Rejuvenated by power ring.
    • Wonder Woman – Diana Prince. Rejuvenated and re-granted immortality by the gods, after husband’s death.
    • Plastic Man – Eel O’Brian. Ages much slower due to powers.
    • Robotman – temporarily re-activated through cyber-link when human body is taken abed after accident. Replaced by:
    • Sandman II – Sanderson Hawkins takes over after the death of the original. Geo-morph powers. The new leader.
    • Vartox – Earth 2’s version of the hero. Black man. Team’s powerhouse.
    • Jessie Quick – daughter of Johnny Quick.
    • Huntress – Helena Wayne. Liaison with Infinity Inc.
    • Star-Spangled Kid II – Courtney takes over, with the approval of the original.
    • Jin Ni Thunderbolt – Successor of Johnny Thunder and inheritor of the real Thunderbolt genie.

    Reservists –

    • The Flash – Still active, due to link with the speed force.
    • Stripes – Pat Dugan is still young due to time travel mechanics. He uses robot armor to watch over stepdaughter Courtney.
    • Power-Girl – No time to be active member due to responsibilities inherited from Superman when he retired permanently.

    Infinity Inc. - The west-coast based team of adventurers. A new Generation set on doing things its own way.

    • Skyman – Sylvester Pemberton. The leader, flight and gravity manipulating powers due to the cosmic converter belt built into his suit.
    • Silver Scarab – Hector Hall. Solar powered armor made of Nth metal.
    • Nuklon – Albert Rothstein. Strength and density control.
    • Jade – Jennie-Lynn Hayden. Power pulse.
    • Fury – Lyta Trevor. Amazonian abilities.
    • Obsidian – Todd Rice. Shadow control.
    • Brainwave II – Henry King Jr. Vast array of mental powers.
    • La Garro – Yolanda Montez. Feline attributes.
    • Dr. Midnite II – Beth Chapel. Skilled blind surgeon.
    • Hourman II – Rick Tyler. One hour of power.

    Reservists –

    • Starman II – Jack Knight. Part-time super-hero. Or maybe, David Knight.
    • Northwind – Norda Cantrell. Deceased.
    • Jonni Thunder – Detective occasionally possessed by an alien electrical being.


    All-Star International -

    • Richard “Robin” Grayson – U.S.A. Financial Backer + trainer. Usually doesn’t go on missions.
    • Wildcat – U.S.A. Ted Grant. Field Leader + trainer. 9 lives.
    • Shinning Knight – England. Sir Justin. Trainer. Kept young due to time travel mechanics.
    • Squire – England. Young female tech-genius.
    • Deep Blue – Japan. Daughter of Tsunami. Powers similar to her mother’s.
    • Amazing Man II - U.S.A. Will Everett III. Grandson of the original. Powers similar to the grandfather’s.
    • T.N.T II – Canada. Charlie Bullock. Given explosive rings by Wildcat. Explosive punches.
    • Spear Maiden. – Germany. Teenage girl possessed by the spirit of Gundra, the Valkyrie.
    • Red Fire. – Russia. Male descendant of the wartime hero.
    • Mr. Alpha. – Australia. Descendant of the super-villain of the same name. Superman level powers.


    Peace
    damn dude, you put a lot more thought into that than I did! lol

    I'd still be curious to see which silver and bronze age characters would show up in this reality, how they would interact/mesh with the golden agers, and how their stories might play out differently

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aarkus View Post
    I think all of that could still happen without turning it into the same horror-show it became in other realities... I personally find the idea of one reality with a Gotham City that's less corrupt and crime-ridden, more interesting than "it's always one of the darkest places on any earth, because Batman"...
    this could even become a plot point in some later multiversal crossover - some despot from another reality believes a "bright" Gotham disrupts the "natural order" of things, and targets this reality specifically to either corrupt or erase it...
    Well Gotham could be bright, Asylum is just the creepy prison for superhumans like Grundy or Rose/Thorn/Poison Ivy (could be a connection between them with similar powers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant God View Post
    Well Gotham could be bright, Asylum is just the creepy prison for superhumans like Grundy or Rose/Thorn/Poison Ivy (could be a connection between them with similar powers)
    If it's the more modern "Avatar of the Green" Ivy take... Don't bother with Arkham... it's not gonna work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bat39 View Post
    I'd like to see the earth from "To Kill a Legend" ('Tec # 500) revisited. This is a world where Batman and Robin from Earth 1 saved Thomas and Martha Wayne from getting murdered. Bruce, inspired by the vigilantes who saved his parents' lives, grows up to become Batman himself. Also, there are no other superheroes on this earth, or even any heroic myths or legends.

    Another idea I've long had is for an earth where Power Girl is the one who becomes the first superhero in 1938.
    Damn! The Crisis was a golden opportunity to follow up on that Batman. Your Power Girl idea sounds intriguing. So does that mean instead of Lois Lane there would be a Louis Lane on her Earth? Maybe it could be Perry White as her romantic foil.

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    A world that spins out of Final Night. Hal manages to restart to the sun but in this world it is not nearly as strong as it was before. The world slowly ices over creating an Earth of domed cities and harsh frozen wastes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Male View Post
    Damn! The Crisis was a golden opportunity to follow up on that Batman. Your Power Girl idea sounds intriguing. So does that mean instead of Lois Lane there would be a Louis Lane on her Earth? Maybe it could be Perry White as her romantic foil.
    There IS an alt-U out there where Power Girl and Val-Zod are the two last Kryptonians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhawkman View Post
    If it's the more modern "Avatar of the Green" Ivy take... Don't bother with Arkham... it's not gonna work.
    I wasn't thinking of The Green, I was thinking maybe Ivy and Rose were colleagues working together and both got their powers from the same place or Ivy commits crimes and frames Rose's split personality for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant God View Post
    I wasn't thinking of The Green, I was thinking maybe Ivy and Rose were colleagues working together and both got their powers from the same place or Ivy commits crimes and frames Rose's split personality for it.
    playing on the generational theme, what if (oops, wrong forum lol) Ivy was a third child Rose had at some point and left up for adoption... not necessarily with Alan as the father... if you wanna go dark with it, say Rose gives Ivy up because she's the result of a rape by one of the Arkham Guards... Rose is aware of the familial connection but Ivy isn't... and so on like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aarkus View Post
    playing on the generational theme, what if (oops, wrong forum lol) Ivy was a third child Rose had at some point and left up for adoption... not necessarily with Alan as the father... if you wanna go dark with it, say Rose gives Ivy up because she's the result of a rape by one of the Arkham Guards... Rose is aware of the familial connection but Ivy isn't... and so on like that
    If Ivy is closer to Bruce and the twins age yeah I could see that. Maybe to Rose it was rape but to Thorn it was consensual? that would be twisted


    Dark Joke - Rose has so many kids (Jade, Todd, Ivy,) inside Arkham that get taken away that both guards and inmates in Arkham have nicknamed her Mother Arkham.

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