Marvel never had issues with gore, Max or not Max.
Remember when Sentry ripped Ares in half and the only thing they censored was a character saying "****"?
Bringing back the old, killing the young: that's the Marvel way
I wanted to start a thread about whether you could "Born Again" or "Demon in a Bottle" today, and realized that this discussion exists (I probably posted here months ago.)
But it's an unfortunate limitation.
It's telling that Disney never did a story about Tony Stark's alcoholism.
Another big factor is anything to do with China. Iron Man is going to save uyghurs from concentration camps.
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They sort of touched on Tony's drinking issues in the second movie. I don't think there's any concerns about it being inappropriate or whatever.
The China thing in general, if you're still talking about movies/TV, I'm more inclined to agree. There's marketing reasons for that. Plus if we're talking about the Uyghur situation in particular, there's the politics but also I don't think a whole lot of Americans even know what's going on there.
I'm not so sure what you feel might be controversial about "Born Again" today ( we've already seen elements show up in live action)...is it the 80's Central American war aspect?
They DID deal with Stark's alcoholism, but made it simply one minor symptom among many of his PTSD. PTSD was the core of movie Stark, PTSD from the deaths of his parents and Yinsen, and this PTSD was expressed as alcohol abuse, death-seeking martyrdom, reckless mad science experiments like Ultron and tons of armors, and a kind of political desperation where he was willing to get on his knees and give the government oral pleasure if only everyone would unite behind him building an armor around the world.
At his core, movie Stark was someone terrified that the people he loves would die and it would be his fault. That PTSD fueled every behavior from mundane alcohol abuse to mad science experiments.
Far from not dealing with his alcohol abuse, I thought the movies did a much better job of making it a part of a complex, nuanced mental issue. Whereas the comics tend to make it this simple thing where he "MUST...RESIST...URGE...TO...DRINK!", a problem so blandly Golden Age one can easily imagine him and Superman crawling side by side, with Superman saying, "MUST...CRAWL AWAY...FROM...KRYPTONITE!!"
"Never assign to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity or ignorance."
"Great stories will always return to their original forms"
"Nobody is more dangerous than he who imagines himself pure in heart; for his purity, by definition, is unassailable." James Baldwin
Afaik Tonys alcoholism wasn't much played up out of respect and concern for Robert Downey Jr. and his real-life experiences with addictions.
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Catching up on this thread. A number of the replies supporting retcons of characters' sexual orientations are so wrong. I don't know where to begin. People making up subtext in their head canon is tiresome. I was legit not attracted to anyone until I was 15. The people defending these changes have clearly not read much of the related characters' histories. But that's it. I don't want to derail the thread.
I think much of these aren't as bad as a lot of the decisions that happened recently. Certainly, a few of them would qualify. 6 of the 10 listed, I agree with. Trying too hard to be topical is a very easy way to make your work dated. It might seem like a good idea now, but those pop culture references are not going to hold up.
Good Marvel characters- Bring Them Back!!!
"Never assign to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity or ignorance."
"Great stories will always return to their original forms"
"Nobody is more dangerous than he who imagines himself pure in heart; for his purity, by definition, is unassailable." James Baldwin
Well one of these concerned people was his own wife Susan Downey who was an executive producer on Iron Man 2. I wouldn't blame a woman for looking out for her husbands well-being. At the end of the day Tony Stark is just a fictional character while Downey Jr. is a real human being who went through some real **** and had to work hard to turn his life around. I think being upset about not seeing an accurate portrayal of "Demon in a bottle" is misplaced under these circumstances.
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