You wouldn't get away with that nowadays!

[Force de Phenix]

Yeah this is a big problem.... Like the recent idiocy with Disney's weirdly re-cast remakes.... they literally said that they intentionally cast actors who don't look like the character. But people are like "but they just cast the best candidate" Um, no.... they didn't.

It's not idiocy. I think it's definitely necessary for inclusion to happen on screen because the next generation shouldn't see a black actress being cast as a fictional character as idiocy.

I remember when Abercrombie and Fitch would throw black job seekers' job applications in the garbage because they wanted the brand to be white. If things got better by themselves, nothing would need change. But they didn't. Things are terrible, so we need help so the next generation doesn't come out like racist trash.

[Force de Phenix]

This thread should be called, "Things they got away with back then." Kids didn't need to be subjugated to this stuff for decades and explains a lot of how things were seen back then and why people are the way they are today.

Too many people see bigotry as nostalgic.

[skyvolt2000]

It's not idiocy. I think it's definitely necessary for inclusion to happen on screen because the next generation shouldn't see a black actress being cast as a fictional character as idiocy.

Wouldn't it be easier to just use a different version of the story than race changing?

There are African folklore out there that can be use with some of it having similar themes to the classics.

Skin of the Sea by Natasha Bowen is one.

[80sbaby]

Wouldn't it be easier to just use a different version of the story than race changing?

There are African folklore out there that can be use with some of it having similar themes to the classics.

Skin of the Sea by Natasha Bowen is one.

Name recognition counts for a lot. That being said, I do want them to use more West African folklore and they are apparently creating new IPs with the upcoming Iwájú, My Dad the Bounty Hunter, etc.

[skyvolt2000]

Name recognition counts for a lot. That being said, I do want them to use more West African folklore and they are apparently creating new IPs with the upcoming Iwájú, My Dad the Bounty Hunter, etc.

In my years of working with kids and teens-you would be shocked at how much that doesn't matter to them.

If they think your product is good-that is all that matters to them.



I keep finding name recognition an adult issue. They will throw a fit about a black Little Mermaid and screw create your own stuff. Then throw a BIGGER fit when you do create your own stuff.

[Force de Phenix]

Wouldn't it be easier to just use a different version of the story than race changing?

There are African folklore out there that can be use with some of it having similar themes to the classics.

Skin of the Sea by Natasha Bowen is one.

What was difficult about changing a mermaid's race? I'm curious to know.

[80sbaby]

In my years of working with kids and teens-you would be shocked at how much that doesn't matter to them.

If they think your product is good-that is all that matters to them.



I keep finding name recognition an adult issue. They will throw a fit about a black Little Mermaid and screw create your own stuff. Then throw a BIGGER fit when you do create your own stuff.

Yes, I meant adults and not children. Adults are the ones with the purchasing power. So businesses seek to appeal to them, even if only superficially.

And your last point is sadly too true. We've witnessed it multiple times in a variety of ways. It's like the popular girl not inviting you to her party, so you decide to throw your own and she then gets mad that she's not invited.

[80sbaby]

Uh, yeah, was that the ONLY thing he said about his casting choice?

Where did you see them claim they intentionally wanted to cast someone who doesn't look like the cartoon version?

[Zero Hunter]

What was difficult about changing a mermaid's race? I'm curious to know.

Why is it always black though? To me it just looks like to Disney and other studios diversity = black woman. Where is the "representation for the little asian girl or the little latina girl or the countless other underrepresented people? It is always black women which in itself is fine in some cases, but it needs to stop just being the default setting if they are really going for diversity.

[Force de Phenix]

Why is it always black though? To me it just looks like to Disney and other studios diversity = black woman. Where is the "representation for the little asian girl or the little latina girl or the countless other underrepresented people? It is always black women which in itself is fine in some cases, but it needs to stop just being the default setting if they are really going for diversity.

I would just mention that being a Black American isn't the same as other POC's. People stolen and forced to give up their ethic culture, being forced to work for free while living under US fascism, and then have laws to discriminate against you until less than a hundred years ago isn't the same as people who chose to come to the US to either get paid better or escaping a crisis and choosing the US. The difference is the choice aspect and the hundreds of years of history in the US, and that America was built on the backs of slaves, as opposed to recent influxes of socio-economic immigration and political refugees.

I don't think anyone doubts that there is more, and has been more, discrimination against Black Americans.

Also, Asia has one of the biggest film and television industries in the world. The US should embrace more of it, but there is a monopoly for most foreign media to be blocked, and it was very controlled. Now with Netflix, it's changing.

I'm not denying the need for more integration of real world people in US media.

[skyvolt2000]

Why is it always black though? To me it just looks like to Disney and other studios diversity = black woman. Where is the "representation for the little asian girl or the little latina girl or the countless other underrepresented people? It is always black women which in itself is fine in some cases, but it needs to stop just being the default setting if they are really going for diversity.

I think some of that has to do with MONEY and attention.

https://www.insiderintelligence.com/...-2023-billions

$1.5 trillion is what black consumers have spent.
Latino is 1.2 but is growing.
Asian was 1.3 before Covid and a lot of that is Asian spending more on digital services.

[Ready Eddie]

I would just mention that being a Black American isn't the same as other POC's. People stolen and forced to give up their ethic culture, being forced to work for free while living under US fascism, and then have laws to discriminate against you until less than a hundred years ago isn't the same as people who chose to come to the US to either get paid better or escaping a crisis and choosing the US. The difference is the choice aspect and the hundreds of years of history in the US, and that America was built on the backs of slaves, as opposed to recent influxes of socio-economic immigration and political refugees.

I don't think anyone doubts that there is more, and has been more, discrimination against Black Americans.

Also, Asia has one of the biggest film and television industries in the world. The US should embrace more of it, but there is a monopoly for most foreign media to be blocked, and it was very controlled. Now with Netflix, it's changing.

I'm not denying the need for more integration of real world people in US media.

You think they had it worse than Native Americans? Killed by the masses and had all their land taken away and their cultural decayed until all that was left was liquor and the casino.

Blacks got to at least live near Whites and get benefits from their inventions and civilization while the Natives were stuck on the reservation to be forgotten about.

[80sbaby]

You think they had it worse than Native Americans? Killed by the masses and had all their land taken away and their cultural decayed until all that was left was liquor and the casino.

Blacks got to at least live near Whites and get benefits from their inventions and civilization while the Natives were stuck on the reservation to be forgotten about.

This is true regarding Native Americans. However the poster Force was responding to mentioned Asians and Latinos, which are generally the two ethnicities people bring up. And it's not because they really want those others represented, imo. It's more of a deflection/criticism of black people being showcased. It seems a bit disingenuous to me when people use other marginalized people to complain about black people receiving things.

[Fire Angel]

This is true regarding Native Americans. However the poster Force was responding to mentioned Asians and Latinos, which are generally the two ethnicities people bring up. And it's not because they really want those others represented, imo. It's more of a deflection/criticism of black people being showcased. It seems a bit disingenuous to me when people use other marginalized people to complain about black people receiving things.

Yeah there wanst as much bad discrimination when they came to the USA

[Username taken]

I would just mention that being a Black American isn't the same as other POC's. People stolen and forced to give up their ethic culture, being forced to work for free while living under US fascism, and then have laws to discriminate against you until less than a hundred years ago isn't the same as people who chose to come to the US to either get paid better or escaping a crisis and choosing the US. The difference is the choice aspect and the hundreds of years of history in the US, and that America was built on the backs of slaves, as opposed to recent influxes of socio-economic immigration and political refugees.

I don't think anyone doubts that there is more, and has been more, discrimination against Black Americans.

Also, Asia has one of the biggest film and television industries in the world. The US should embrace more of it, but there is a monopoly for most foreign media to be blocked, and it was very controlled. Now with Netflix, it's changing.

I'm not denying the need for more integration of real world people in US media.

Exactly this.

Hence the term "BIPOC". The impact and weight of racism aren't felt equally by all minorities.

What the Indigenous people here in Canada went through is unbelievable. The good thing is that, unlike some parts of the US, this injustice is taught to kids very early in their lives so they don't grow up ignorant.