Immoral X-Men #1 Review/Spoilers

[yogaflame]

Yeah, Gillen's already checked out, it would seem. Wake me up when Ewing takes over the line.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

It’s the Hellfire Club - the BDSM element transcends/transgresses queerness.
I read it more as socioeconomic commentary on capitalism than sexuality or gender identities.
Sinister is the worker with not-wrong ideas about the value of his contributions.
Emma in her Sinisterized state is the Hellfire capitalist who brings workers to heel.
Disturbing for different reasons I suppose.

Tch. That's just porn with plot. The reasons why she got to do it are less important to me than the fact that she got to do it solo. It feels like the tradeoff for Sinister's new personality, is imprisonment in the 'sissy villain' trope. He's a preening, vainglorious libertine who must be taken firmly in hand and disciplined until he submits. Never mind his prior ambition and skill, Emma's got the chokey so now it's time to heel.

They've completely gimped the guy out. It's like they're saying unmasculine men are only allowed to be intellectually dangerous. As soon as Sinister lightened up, he went from a fighter to a fop. They may as well rename him, Gorgeous George. (The wrestler, not the mutant.) I wish someone like Shore Leave from Venture bros. was a supervillain in marvel. That guy's camp but he'll also feed you your own liver. You don't have to choose between being powerful and having a personality.

[Wolverine12]

Tch. That's just porn with plot. The reasons why she got to do it are less important to me than the fact that she got to do it solo. It feels like the tradeoff for Sinister's new personality, is imprisonment in the 'sissy villain' trope. He's a preening, vainglorious libertine who must be taken firmly in hand and disciplined until he submits. Never mind his prior ambition and skill, Emma's got the chokey so now it's time to heel.

They've completely gimped the guy out. It's like they're saying unmasculine men are only allowed to be intellectually dangerous. As soon as Sinister lightened up, he went from a fighter to a fop. They may as well rename him, Gorgeous George. (The wrestler, not the mutant.) I wish someone like Shipwreck from Venture bros. was a supervillain in marvel. That guy's camp but he'll also feed you your own liver. You don't have to choose between being powerful and having a personality.

I think you might be looking to much into Emma beating Sinister solo. The same writer had him outsmart and clown the entire QC and now the whole earth is in his image. :shrug:

[lefthanded]

Interesting issue - you get a brief glimpse at the flatscans in year 10, a joke at America's expense, some Sinister future prognostication, some Sinister self-loathing, some shade thrown at Prof X, and then it turns into the Emma show. Ultimately, that's fine since it is falling the same structure of focusing on one council member at a time.

The one quibble I had was with Sinister being worried about the galaxy armies. To me, this feels the same as Krakoa worrying about Orchis. Based on the powersets Sinister can abuse, it wouldn't matter if the Kree-Shi'ar-what have you banded together. A bunch of Unus chimeras for defense and he's set.

[Solitaryhawk]

It’s the Hellfire Club - the BDSM element transcends/transgresses queerness.
I read it more as socioeconomic commentary on capitalism than sexuality or gender identities.
Sinister is the worker with not-wrong ideas about the value of his contributions.
Emma in her Sinisterized state is the Hellfire capitalist who brings workers to heel.
Disturbing for different reasons I suppose.

All the more reason why I'm not pointing out the misspelled title. "IMMORAL" is perfectly on brand here.

[Krakoa]

There is an almost homophobic pathology at display here that I find nauseating. In the past, Sinister was depicted as an absolute menace. He fought the Extinction team on his own. He sent entire X teams packing by himself during the Messiah wars. He has over a century of combat experience. The guy is a unit. I love his new personality, his 'Joker-fication' if you will. I like that he's campier and more outwardly gay, because gay dudes don't often get to be such heavy hitters in popular media.

But apparently, campy gay villains don't get to remain brilliant and competent. They have to be squealing sissies getting beaten up by leather mommies and made to beg for their lives in some patronizingly conservate way that masquerades as being sexually liberal yet is utterly dour and classically British in its scope.

Submit them all, Emma! Spank all the dirty boys!

Ah yes, one of Marvel’s most prolific queer writers and champions of LGBTQ representation is a homophobe for writing some BDSM jokes.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Ah yes, one of Marvel’s most prolific queer writers and champions of LGBTQ representation is a homophobe for writing some BDSM jokes.

Have you ever read Uber or D.I.E.? Have you ever read anything by Brett Easton Ellis? Identity is not immunity.

[Nicoclaws]

Have you ever read Uber or D.I.E.? Have you ever read anything by Brett Easton Ellis? Identity is not immunity.

I know you're mainly trolling on here usually but I'll bite on this one.
Do you think queer characters in media shouldn't be flawed ?

[Mutant_Lover]

I think you might be looking to much into Emma beating Sinister solo. The same writer had him outsmart and clown the entire QC and now the whole earth is in his image. :shrug:

Yeah and rather than Sinister going -10, this is showing the ruthlessness of Sinisterisation goes to +15 for them (maybe in different ways). Preening, Campy Sinister has still stayed a threat (Hellions brutality, Killing QC for longterm plans, SoS storyline, heck the original Gillen change to him and taking on the Uncanny Team on Utopia) but having him have a downfall I think is stretch for the trope - he can’t be omnipotent!

The main questions on the issue I had were re:Emma using telepathy in diamond, did that change or is that an error?

[gonnagiveittoya]

There is an almost homophobic pathology at display here that I find nauseating. In the past, Sinister was depicted as an absolute menace. He fought the Extinction team on his own. He sent entire X teams packing by himself during the Messiah wars. He has over a century of combat experience. The guy is a unit. I love his new personality, his 'Joker-fication' if you will. I like that he's campier and more outwardly gay, because gay dudes don't often get to be such heavy hitters in popular media.

But apparently, campy gay villains don't get to remain brilliant and competent. They have to be squealing sissies getting beaten up by leather mommies and made to beg for their lives in some patronizingly conservate way that masquerades as being sexually liberal yet is utterly dour and classically British in its scope.

Submit them all, Emma! Spank all the dirty boys!

You sure are making a weird choice to die on the hill of "this canon Nazi who worked with Doctor Mengele and is literally responsible for an ongoing genocide in this comic getting beaten up is homophobia"

Is Sinister even canonically gay

[gonnagiveittoya]

Can’t really say I’m a fan of this one. Gillan wanted us to question just to what degree it’s them and what is Sinister but this issue just kinda makes it out that Emma is just a horrid person deep down. With the likes of Xaver and Exodus we can see them but with Emma, she’s just pure evil with nothing of the person she’s developed into all these years as if that was just a mask.

Uh...yeah? She burned a horse to death just to gaslight a teenager. She all but laughed at the dead kids in Civil War killed by Nitro. Emma is not a good person.

[Frobisher]

Uh...yeah? She burned a horse to death just to gaslight a teenager. She all but laughed at the dead kids in Civil War killed by Nitro. Emma is not a good person.

That’s one way of looking at it. Another is that she created valuable teachable moments for young people that will stay with them into adulthood.

[gonnagiveittoya]

That’s one way of looking at it. Another is that she created valuable teachable moments for young people that will stay with them into adulthood.

I think that's called trauma

Wait are there people who actually think of Emma as a hero? She's an antihero at best most of the time.

[Del torro]

I think that's called trauma

Wait are there people who actually think of Emma as a hero? She's an antihero at best most of the time.

Bu..but she did it for the children

[gonnagiveittoya]

Bu..but she did it to the children

Ftfy
Seriously though Emma only barely qualifies as reformed only in that she isn't actively making an evil plan, except for now when she's gone back to her roots