Tim Drake: Robin #6 Preview

[Godlike13]

Issue #1 sold 73.9K that's at least decent, for a debut that is not proped up by something like rebirth.

Damian's Teen Titans series debut at 64.9K and the first issue with his new team sold 67.9K.

Didn't need Rebirth, it was propped by like 15 variants. And we have seen what variants can do. That 73.9K was heavily over ordered as we saw. They can't afford to give that kind of roll out for just a decent #1. That was a poor debut given what they were putting into it. So poor they scrapped the line it was suppose to lead way too. The creative team and marketing roll out isn't even comparative to Damian's Teen Titans. Which did as expected given its late roll out. Which is not to say it did great. Thats kind of the point here, why invest more in Tim and those characters when other character can do almost just as good with less. Better even if you factor in how they do after #1.

[Frontier]

Or readers don’t actually care enough about those characters to pay for them. They shouldn’t have to break the bank to get people who says they want to buy their books to by their books. Apparently all they need is something “decent”. If Bendis and Gleason weren’t decent enough to get people to even try their book, what exactly are they suppose to do. What other creative team that they had in their stable do you think would have drew better?

Who can really say? There's a lot of factors in play as to why a title does or doesn't do well and it's not always just audience interest (though it can be a factor).

You know who would probably do a solid Tim book? Joshua Williamson.

[Fergus]

Issue #1 sold 73.9K that's at least decent, for a debut that is not proped up by something like rebirth.

Damian's Teen Titans series debut at 64.9K and the first issue with his new team sold 67.9K.

The roll out and promo that precedeed the release of YJ by Bendis was huge. DC went all out promoting the return of YJ unlike Percy's TT and TT by Glass.

Heck Percy's TT didn't even get a big announcement within the Rebirth roll out. The Rebirth promo art featured Damian and Jon but no title announcement for either. All Star Batman and Tec were going to be the new homes for Duke and Tim leading to fans questioning where Damian was going to pop up. Much later there was the interview with Jonboy showcasing the art for Percy's TT and that was it in terms of any push/promo for that run.

Percy's TT wasn't propped up by the launch of rebirth.

TT by Glass sold better than YJ by bendis in trade and still does.

[Fergus]

Surely the people arguing that Tim is marginalised aren't being serious.

[skyvolt2000]

Or readers don’t actually care enough about those characters to pay for them. They shouldn’t have to break the bank to get people who says they want to buy their books to by their books. Apparently all they need is something “decent”. If Bendis and Gleason weren’t decent enough to get people to even try their book, what exactly are they suppose to do. What other creative team that they had in their stable do you think would have drew better?

NOBODY because SOMEONE would do their dangest to find issue with whatever creative team you tried.

Because what allow X to get away with Y doesn't work with Z.

Translated...

Bendis and all his FLAWS are TOLERATED when it comes to Ultimate Spider-Man or Miles Morales.

Yet put him on Legion and Young Justice and those same flaws are NO LONGER TOLERATED.

It becomes an issue of who is the character that writer is doing versus quality of work.

It's why Johns is getting away with delays on JSA instead of that book going to someone who can meet deadlines.

[skyvolt2000]

The roll out and promo that precedeed the release of YJ by Bendis was huge. DC went all out promoting the return of YJ unlike Percy's TT and TT by Glass.

Heck Percy's TT didn't even get a big announcement within the Rebirth roll out. The Rebirth promo art featured Damian and Jon but no title announcement for either. All Star Batman and Tec were going to be the new homes for Duke and Tim leading to fans questioning where Damian was going to pop up. Much later there was the interview with Jonboy showcasing the art for Percy's TT and that was it in terms of any push/promo for that run.

Percy's TT wasn't propped up by the launch of rebirth.

TT by Glass sold better than YJ by bendis in trade and still does.

Well Adam Glass is well known writer on 3 long running hit shows.
Percy had a popular artist in Jonboy Myers and he bought in Aqualad.

2 guys with better reputations than Bendis.

Bendis was already unwelcomed here when he derailed the Superman books, pushback over Riri Williams and gave us Teen Lantern (that someone else got rid of for good). So while tossing a big name on that book was an idea-they just choose the WRONG person for that.

[Fergus]

Well Adam Glass is well known writer on 3 long running hit shows.
Percy had a popular artist in Jonboy Myers and he bought in Aqualad.

2 guys with better reputations than Bendis.

Bendis was already unwelcomed here when he derailed the Superman books, pushback over Riri Williams and gave us Teen Lantern (that someone else got rid of for good). So while tossing a big name on that book was an idea-they just choose the WRONG person for that.

Well known by whose definition? Bendis is an award winning writer on a TV series. Does that make him a well known writer within that medium?

Adam Glass didn't transfer his tv success into comics same as fritzmartin hasn't transferred her tv success into comics.

Simply look at the comics sales for Glass next to Bendis. Bendis has better comic sales. In the industry we are talking about, the comic industry. Bendis is a big name Adam Glass isn't.
They aren't even on the same level. So nope that argument doesn't stand up.

Before TT by Percy even came out Jonboy went live with the reveal that due to some differences he was quitting the TT book. How did you miss that?

Percy's run was drawn by Khoi Pham not the previously announced Jonboy and Aqualad didn't come in until much later. His intro didn't make a dent in sales.

It's amusing how much you bend over to make excuses to suit your narrative.


You make these claims without checking the facts. If you did you'd have seen just how meaningless Supernatural's success transferred into comic sales and you would have known that Meyers spectacularly quit the TT series even before the 1st issue came out.

Just because you believe/think something doesn't make it true.

[Fergus]

NOBODY because SOMEONE would do their dangest to find issue with whatever creative team you tried.

Because what allow X to get away with Y doesn't work with Z.

Translated...

Bendis and all his FLAWS are TOLERATED when it comes to Ultimate Spider-Man or Miles Morales.

Yet put him on Legion and Young Justice and those same flaws are NO LONGER TOLERATED.

It becomes an issue of who is the character that writer is doing versus quality of work.

It's why Johns is getting away with delays on JSA instead of that book going to someone who can meet deadlines.

Therefore it's a moot point since the problem you outline is universal is the reality for ALL characters.

Bringing us back to the fact that DC did put the biggest guns they had available on the YJ series.
Bendis is a huge name who not only was writing Superman but also was huge enough name for DC to give him his own line.

Gleason was on Superman and went on to Spiderman.

No matter how you try to twist it that is an A-list duo right there.

[Frontier]

Whatever the case with YJ and why it failed, I don't think this current title came out firing on all cylinders.

[skyvolt2000]

Whatever the case with YJ and why it failed, I don't think this current title came out firing on all cylinders.

Depends on who you are.

If you never read the previous eras of Tim much like T'Challa-a lot of this stuff will probably not bother a person.

For the rest of us-different story.

Like Bernard is suppose to mean something to Tim-problem is we are talking about a guy with 6 appearances and none in the depressing era of New 52 to DC Rebirth.
I mean would the Tim and Bernard means everything to me stuff be the same if we had Bernard around Tim during the past 13 years?
The being Bi-would that be looked at funny if we saw that happen during the New 52 era? Versus just coming out the blue?

[Aahz]

Percy's TT wasn't propped up by the launch of rebirth.

The part with Rebirth wasn't directed at Percy's run, and meant more general an example for like in somecases lauches for series get propped up by an event.

For me it is hard to say how much which of the runs was marketed, and how this effected the launch of YJ, but as least for a regular launch more than 70K for the first issue is a pretty solid start.

[dietrich]

Depends on who you are.

If you never read the previous eras of Tim much like T'Challa-a lot of this stuff will probably not bother a person.

For the rest of us-different story.

Like Bernard is suppose to mean something to Tim-problem is we are talking about a guy with 6 appearances and none in the depressing era of New 52 to DC Rebirth.
I mean would the Tim and Bernard means everything to me stuff be the same if we had Bernard around Tim during the past 13 years?
The being Bi-would that be looked at funny if we saw that happen during the New 52 era? Versus just coming out the blue?

Pleased to encounter someone on CBR who's enjoying the series. How is the series after the 1st issue? I picked up the 1st issue but don't know if I should carry on.

[dietrich]

The part with Rebirth wasn't directed at Percy's run, and meant more general an example for like in somecases lauches for series get propped up by an event.

For me it is hard to say how much which of the runs was marketed, and how this effected the launch of YJ, but as least for a regular launch more than 70K for the first issue is a pretty solid start.

We are online. All you have to do is google Rebirth or Wonder comics or YJ returns Bendis and you'll get 20+ pages of results including all the marketing, Promo, ads, video's, Press, interviews and more.

You can also go back and look at the threads from the period on this forum or Reddit. It's pretty easy.

YJ got a **** ton of promotion. It got more marketing than Superman by Bendis, LOSH, Naomi, Zoom, Ink. It was ridiculous.

[Konja7]

The part with Rebirth wasn't directed at Percy's run, and meant more general an example for like in somecases lauches for series get propped up by an event.

For me it is hard to say how much which of the runs was marketed, and how this effected the launch of YJ, but as least for a regular launch more than 70K for the first issue is a pretty solid start.

The promotion was big for YJ. It isn't surprising that there will attract interest for issue 1.

The issue 2 sold 37,081 (and sales were going to continue to fall). Issue 2 of YJ falling under 40k shows a lack of interest on the characters. It was to soon to reach that numbers, since sales tend to fall after issue 2 too.


PS: Bendis couldn't really be blamed for this since the story wasn't horrible for issue 2.

[HsssH]

Shops order first 2-3 issues before first issue is published so there probably wasn't that much interest besides collectors/speculators going for that #1.