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    Default Super unrealistic that Supergirl is not disgusted by humans during New Krypton

    So reading New Krypton, Lois Lane's father creates some secret organization aimed at exterminating all kryptonians because he is a xenophobe like Lex Luthor. In his initial plans, he starts off attacking New krypton unprovoked and kills Supergirl's father. You would think she would be a little more upset at this and start to foster hatred/mistrust for humans like her mother Alura but she did not.




    Humans then continue antagonizing the kryptonians, who left them alone and went off world to live on the opposite side of the sun. They worked with Braniac and outfitted him with anti-kryptonian weaponry so he could slaughter kryptonians and reclaim Kandor.



    After the Kryptonians defeated Braniac, they had 100% confirmation that humans were the ones attacking them over and over. Alura wanting payback for her husband's death sent her daughter, Supergirl, to retrieve his killer. Once reactron was brought back to new krypton, he was tortured by Alura, over and over, in order to reveal General Lane's plans. Reactron however was outfitted with a gold kryptonite bomb by Lex Luthor and destroyed the planet.




    The thing that is so unrealistic is how superman and supergirl are still willing to forgive humanity even though Lane was not working alone and being backed by a human government to destroy their people. The only reaction Kara displayed after new, krypton's destruction was regret and blaming herself for bringing reactron to the planet. You would think this last act by humans would have pushed her over the edge to side with zod. Even Superman seemed unfazed by the whole thing. All he did was cry when the planet was destroyed but still went to Earth trying to stop Zod's plan and protect humans. So basically no change from his normal personality. The only person who felt realistic in their response to human transgression was Zod. You can only stir a beehive for so long before it attacks you. Human writers always seem to write good aliens as punching bags for humans, who must forgive them for all their transgression/shortcomings.
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    Kara had spent enough time amongst good humans, like Jonathan and Martha, Lois, and Lana, to know they're not all genocidal monsters. She wouldn't judge an entire group by its worst members.

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    New Krypton was a unbalanced and doomed to fail experiment when it began, and it only went downhill from there.

    Some good moments in the mix, for sure, but overall the entire thing was a waste.

    Best to just forget about it and pretend it never happened.
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    Lex and Sam Lane basically genocide the Kryptonians and that basically gets sweeped under the rug because New Krypton was originally suppose to be much longer before DC put a halt to that due to Didio getting JMS for Superman and who then got sick and didn't even finish the run. Not to mention Didio even fired James Robinon in the middle of New Krypton for Mark Waid only to rehire Robinson and fire Waid for reasons.

    Which kind of shows the fundamental flaw of Didio's management of Superman/Action, he was always chasing the next new thing and never bothered wrapping stuff up. He was basically a cat chasing the laser pointer for 14+ years. This is why you had close to 16 writers in a span of ten years on Superman and Action. Not to mention guys like Waid and Guggenheim who were hired and fired before even writing one issue. It was complete creative chaos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne View Post
    Lex and Sam Lane basically genocide the Kryptonians and that basically gets sweeped under the rug because New Krypton was originally suppose to be much longer before DC put a halt to that due to Didio getting JMS for Superman and who then got sick and didn't even finish the run.
    I always thought that the reason JMS didn't complete his Superman and his Wonder Woman runs was because they wanted to have him get out his Superman: Earth One book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmeticSkull View Post
    Kara had spent enough time amongst good humans, like Jonathan and Martha, Lois, and Lana, to know they're not all genocidal monsters. She wouldn't judge an entire group by its worst members.
    And let's not forget this iteration also spent time being instructed by the Amazons so their philosophy played into her code of behavior as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    New Krypton was a unbalanced and doomed to fail experiment when it began, and it only went downhill from there.

    Some good moments in the mix, for sure, but overall the entire thing was a waste.

    Best to just forget about it and pretend it never happened.
    Well, just like with Rucka's Max Lord debacle, certain assurances were made upfront only to unceremoniously be abandoned thanks to one goober who I wish was never ever involved with DC. NK was a big effing swing and I was hoping that the Multiverse concept would be used to take us back to that moment and let it play out as originally conceived with DiDidiot and the other one screwing everything up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    I always thought that the reason JMS didn't complete his Superman and his Wonder Woman runs was because they wanted to have him get out his Superman: Earth One book?
    He had a recurring case of bronchitis (https://bleedingcool.com/comics/rece...-703-lateness/) apparently which knockned him out later and necessitated the fill-in writers. He said as much in the bleedingcool forums back when they were a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanlos View Post
    Well, just like with Rucka's Max Lord debacle, certain assurances were made upfront only to unceremoniously be abandoned thanks to one goober who I wish was never ever involved with DC. NK was a big effing swing and I was hoping that the Multiverse concept would be used to take us back to that moment and let it play out as originally conceived with DiDidiot and the other one screwing everything up.

    I think all that would go out the window if you experience this level of trauma. Let's assume it's world war 2 and you are a Jewish girl who thought her parents were dead. You are taken in by a nice, German couple who treats you very well and protects you from hitler. You later leave them after few years and come across a small Jewish, community in which you ae reunited with your parents. German soldiers later find your settlement and kill everyone but a handful of your people; u being one of them. I'm pretty sure despite, the brief act of kindness by some Germans, you would want blood. Your rage would be so clouded that you might even disregard the act of kindness you received in the past and consider all germans bad. That is a human response to trauma that comic book writers lack when writing superman and friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harrynorine View Post
    I think all that would go out the window if you experience this level of trauma. Let's assume it's world war 2 and you are a Jewish girl who thought her parents were dead. You are taken in by a nice, German couple who treats you very well and protects you from hitler. You later leave them after few years and come across a small Jewish, community in which your reunited with your parents. German soldiers later find your settlement and kill everyone but a handful of your people; u being one of them. I'm pretty sure despite, the brief act of kindness by some Germans, you would want blood. Your rage would be so clouded that you might even disregard the act of kindness you received in the past and consider all germans bad. That is a human response to trauma that comic book writers lack when writing superman and friends.
    Except Kara didn't experience a "brief act of kindness". She had the Kents as her foster parents for years.

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    Not to mention, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen and John Henry Irons were all on the Kryptonians' side during War of the Supermen.

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    Honestly I think it's weird and unrealistic that Kara would stay on earth at all. What must that be like for her? Like living in the dark ages. I get why she'd stick around for a while; after the trauma of becoming an extinct species and leaving your planet for the first time, you probably want a steady place to set your feet for a minute, plus her only remaining family is here. But you'd think after a while she'd want to go live on Rann or something, and get away from us cavemen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmeticSkull View Post
    Except Kara didn't experience a "brief act of kindness". She had the Kents as her foster parents for years.
    That's not true post-Crisis. She only arrived on Earth before Infinite Crisis during the end of Luthor's presidency. She didn't spend years with the Kents iirc or at least that's not the impression from the Supergirl ongoing at that time. And no matter how kind the Kents were, that's not going to outweigh Luthor/Lane murdering all her people and her parents. I think you can look at the real world history and see how it's not easy as it appears to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne View Post
    That's not true post-Crisis. She only arrived on Earth before Infinite Crisis during the end of Luthor's presidency. She didn't spend years with the Kents iirc or at least that's not the impression from the Supergirl ongoing at that time. And no matter how kind the Kents were, that's not going to outweigh Luthor/Lane murdering all her people and her parents. I think you can look at the real world history and see how it's not easy as it appears to be.
    She arrived in 2004 and War of the Supermen was in 2010 so it was at least a couple of years.

    There was also Lana Lang, Batman, Captain Boomerang

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    And considering how close Kara is to her cousin, she's certainly not going to turn against his adopted homeworld.

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    Do you fellow Superfans feel that the events from the last 20 of our realtime years could pass as two years for the denizens of the DCU

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmeticSkull View Post
    She arrived in 2004 and War of the Supermen was in 2010 so it was at least a couple of years.

    There was also Lana Lang, Batman, Captain Boomerang

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    And considering how close Kara is to her cousin, she's certainly not going to turn against his adopted homeworld.
    Realistically a person would. After seeing your people become near extinct (again), parents die, mingled with regret/guilt on top of that and it would drive a lot of people wanting revenge. For the very least, supergirl could have developed a mistrust/xenophobia towards humans and just not want to help/deal with them anymore which is also a far more interesting path than what they did with her.
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