New WW Creative Team: Tom King and Daniel Sampere

[Laser_Man]

I think it's a little cruel to call it "afterthought". So it's wrong if the authors don't listen to the fans, but it's also wrong if they do? Give the man a break.

Also, supersons are just main characters on the side-in stories. Wouldn't call them "an integral part of this story" when the main story is protagonised by Wonder Woman herself.

Its good that he listened to the fans, but it does seem weird that he needed to be reminded to use the Wonder Girls in the story and originally didn't have plans for them. I really doubt a writer would need to be reminded to use Batfamily in a Batman run.

And its not accurate to call the backups sidestories considering the run literally started with the Future Trinity and is being framed as a flashback to how Lizzie came to be.

[Laser_Man]

You know you don't have to interpret every action King does on the book in the worst possible light, right? He initially didn't want to use the Wonder Girls because he wanted to keep the book centered on Diana but he changed his mind when saw fans made their voices known they wanted them there.

I don't really care for the Supersons stuff either and would like Trinity actually interacting with her mother but it's backmatter that's easy to overlook.

If he wanted to center this book on Diana, it would have shown on his stories so far.

Diana is not really characterized well in this run, she just shows up and fights while Sovereign in the narration talks about how she is so awesome, but it feels cheap and unearned. We don't get to see how Diana thinks or introspects because of King's instance on the flowery narration by his OC.

Not to mention the fact that he literally stopped the story in its tracks so he could write an issue about Superman and Batman. Like many Wonder Woman runs before, King's run feels like it is about many things but Wonder Woman herself.

[Sebastianne]

Nobody can blame Tom King for not having the Wonder Girls in his plans, they have hardly appeared in the Amazon's publication history.
So good for him for listening and giving us some of those wonderful girls.
Personally, I want Artemis to be an integral part of the cast, but hey, maybe we can't have it all.

[Garrac]

Its good that he listened to the fans, but it does seem weird that he needed to be reminded to use the Wonder Girls in the story and originally didn't have plans for them. I really doubt a writer would need to be reminded to use Batfamily in a Batman run.

And its not accurate to call the backups sidestories considering the run literally started with the Future Trinity and is being framed as a flashback to how Lizzie came to be.

It's, again, an unfair standard since none of the past WW writers on the last 23 years have cared to do so as well. They barely even acted as secondaries on Trial of the Amazons (alltho, here I wonder again if editorial has huge barriers against their inclusion that only hot artists like King can jump over, or if it's just that all previous authors in this past 2 decades just didn't care)

And yes, the backups are sidestories because nothing that happens on them is actually influencing the main story. Is being framed as secondary fun stories to acompany the intense tone of the main story.

And, again, Tom King never ever ever neeeever writes superhero stories from the pov of the protagonists themselves. It's just his way to tell things, as Rucka having anticlimatic endings, or Mark Russell usin pratchettian humour. It not some deep conspiracy about him hating the character.

[Fuzzy Mittens]

or Mark Russell usin pratchettian humour. It not some deep conspiracy about him hating the character.

A little off track, but whose Mark Russell? I love me some Pratchett humor, and I didn't know there was a comic writer who does stuff like that

[Gaius]

If he wanted to center this book on Diana, it would have shown on his stories so far.

Diana is not really characterized well in this run, she just shows up and fights while Sovereign in the narration talks about how she is so awesome, but it feels cheap and unearned. We don't get to see how Diana thinks or introspects because of King's instance on the flowery narration by his OC.

Not to mention the fact that he literally stopped the story in its tracks so he could write an issue about Superman and Batman. Like many Wonder Woman runs before, King's run feels like it is about many things but Wonder Woman herself.

Diana has been the center of the book, you just don't like what he's doing. If you're annoyed with the narration, than that's just a trope that comes with King's writing. He did the same in Supergirl.

And that's just straight not true about the Superman issue. It's pretty clearly a WW and Superman story and so Sampere has time to catchup for the rest of the Sovereign arc, I don't like those two showing up either but it was a harmless one-and-done.

[Skytten]

Al Ewing I could see. Doing a DC Pride story so he could be open to do something DC. He seems to do a good Thor and everybody loves his Hulk. Not that it is a important fact, but he is bisexual and LGBT men and writing Diana has been good recently with Steve Orlando and James Tynion.

Edit: Yeah this was supposed to be in the other thread

[Primal Slayer]

If he wanted to center this book on Diana, it would have shown on his stories so far.

Diana is not really characterized well in this run, she just shows up and fights while Sovereign in the narration talks about how she is so awesome, but it feels cheap and unearned. We don't get to see how Diana thinks or introspects because of King's instance on the flowery narration by his OC.

Not to mention the fact that he literally stopped the story in its tracks so he could write an issue about Superman and Batman. Like many Wonder Woman runs before, King's run feels like it is about many things but Wonder Woman herself.

.... You're trying really hard to discount this run.

We know very clearly why we got a fill in issue

[Garrac]

A little off track, but whose Mark Russell? I love me some Pratchett humor, and I didn't know there was a comic writer who does stuff like that

He wrote the Flisntones comic (which is veeery great) and some other Hannah-barbera comics as well. has a couple comics on Superman, which are all just magnific, and is now jumping into the House of Brainiac event. He also loves Pratchett and even has a joke about Discworld.

[Fuzzy Mittens]

He wrote the Flisntones comic (which is veeery great) and some other Hannah-barbera comics as well. has a couple comics on Superman, which are all just magnific, and is now jumping into the House of Brainiac event. He also loves Pratchett and even has a joke about Discworld.

Thank you very much, I appreciate the recommendation ^_^

[Laser_Man]

It's, again, an unfair standard since none of the past WW writers on the last 23 years have cared to do so as well. They barely even acted as secondaries on Trial of the Amazons (alltho, here I wonder again if editorial has huge barriers against their inclusion that only hot artists like King can jump over, or if it's just that all previous authors in this past 2 decades just didn't care)

And yes, the backups are sidestories because nothing that happens on them is actually influencing the main story. Is being framed as secondary fun stories to acompany the intense tone of the main story.

And, again, Tom King never ever ever neeeever writes superhero stories from the pov of the protagonists themselves. It's just his way to tell things, as Rucka having anticlimatic endings, or Mark Russell usin pratchettian humour. It not some deep conspiracy about him hating the character.

It would have been better if the backups in a Wonder Woman book actually had something to do with Diana or her world. It's not like she has multiple books coming in like Superman and Batman.

It seems odd to devote pages out of a WW book for the Supersons and their sister (let's face it, so far Lizzie is Supersons' sister first and Diana's daughter second).

[Laser_Man]

Diana has been the center of the book, you just don't like what he's doing. If you're annoyed with the narration, than that's just a trope that comes with King's writing. He did the same in Supergirl.

And that's just straight not true about the Superman issue. It's pretty clearly a WW and Superman story and so Sampere has time to catchup for the rest of the Sovereign arc, I don't like those two showing up either but it was a harmless one-and-done.

I don't have anything against a filler issue. But it speaks volumes about King's priorities that the first chance he gets for a filler story, he inserts Superman and Batman. Why not a one in done story about Hippolyta or Etta or Steve or any number of side characters from Diana's world?

Don't we have enough Batman and Superman content in DC that they need to feature in other books too?

[Skytten]

I don't have anything against a filler issue. But it speaks volumes about King's priorities that the first chance he gets for a filler story, he inserts Superman and Batman. Why not a one in done story about Hippolyta or Etta or Steve or any number of side characters from Diana's world?

Don't we have enough Batman and Superman content in DC that they need to feature in other books too?

For all we know it might not actually be a complete filler issue. There have been multiple people who have speculated that Sovereigns "final" act will be to put Superman under the Lasso of Lies and have him fight Wonder Woman. Yes this might not be the most likely, but the fact is we are only 8 issues in.

[Primal Slayer]

I don't have anything against a filler issue. But it speaks volumes about King's priorities that the first chance he gets for a filler story, he inserts Superman and Batman. Why not a one in done story about Hippolyta or Etta or Steve or any number of side characters from Diana's world?

Don't we have enough Batman and Superman content in DC that they need to feature in other books too?

It doesn't speak any volumes. He was trying to recreate his S/B date night since it was so popular.

[Skytten]

Wonder Woman has been the highest selling DC book for the whole day so far on Amazon. Interesting to see if that continues, usually World's Finest has outranked it for an hour here and there, but it seems to do "worse" after the Kingdom Come arc.