New WW Creative Team: Tom King and Daniel Sampere

[Psy-lock]

Donna is hardly the only derivative character who's been created and developed primarily in team books. There's Power Girl, Huntress, Miss Martian, Jackson Hyde...I don't think it makes her a non-WW character.

As for Cassie, pre-New 52 she was used pretty consistently and had about as much presence in the WW book as Conner and Bart had in their respective franchises.

[Garrac]

I'm here on the "I don't care about titans characters" boat. Donna fans allways set their expectations on new WW expecting Donna to become a secondary, and when it doesn't, or she appears btu she doesn't star a lot, they get angry. Last month I even saw someone here going like "ww fans should be grateful for Donna existing because it made George Pérez land on the title", missing the point that Donna exists because of Wonder Woman on the first place! I find her more as a Titans character than a wonderfam member, and if she appears, cool, but if she doesn't, I don't care. If Titans series don't try to make the homework, I don't have to care on the reverse.

To me she appearing on a ww issue is more of a bonus.

[Pinsir]

I'm here on the "I don't care about titans characters" boat. Donna fans allways set their expectations on new WW expecting Donna to become a secondary, and when it doesn't, or she appears btu she doesn't star a lot, they get angry. Last month I even saw someone here going like "ww fans should be grateful for Donna existing because it made George Pérez land on the title", missing the point that Donna exists because of Wonder Woman on the first place! I find her more as a Titans character than a wonderfam member, and if she appears, cool, but if she doesn't, I don't care. If Titans series don't try to make the homework, I don't have to care on the reverse.

To me she appearing on a ww issue us more of a bonus.

To be fair, a lot of comic book fans act like this; they imagine the story they want and get upset when it doesn't happen. I will on this occasion defend the Donna Troy fans here though and say King kind of implied she, and the other Wonder Girls, would have a greater role in the comic than he's shown thus far.

[SiegePerilous02]

I'm here on the "I don't care about titans characters" boat. Donna fans allways set their expectations on new WW expecting Donna to become a secondary, and when it doesn't, or she appears btu she doesn't star a lot, they get angry. Last month I even saw someone here going like "ww fans should be grateful for Donna existing because it made George Pérez land on the title", missing the point that Donna exists because of Wonder Woman on the first place! I find her more as a Titans character than a wonderfam member, and if she appears, cool, but if she doesn't, I don't care. If Titans series don't try to make the homework, I don't have to care on the reverse.

To me she appearing on a ww issue us more of a bonus.

That was me, and honestly, I'm standing by it. Usually Donna is considered unnecessary to the WW mythos because Perez cut her out even further than she already was. Which has never been a fair view to have of her, or a valid defense to the convoluted nightmare her story became after Crisis when it could have simply been solved by placing Perez's reboot earlier in the timeline.

Donna can't exist because of Wonder Woman and call herself Wonder Girl with a lasso and bracelets and also only be considered a Titans character. Those two things don't mesh. I don't care how she was made: she's here, she's part of iconic stories and people like her. Donna's story should conform to what the Wonder Woman mythos does, but I also think the Wonder Woman mythos has made things needlessly difficult. Perez could have been allowed by the editors to set his story earlier (which I believe he wanted), Rucka could have easily thrown in some openings for Donna, etc.

[HsssH]

Everyobe calls her Donna anyway, it would be easiest retcon ever to claim that she never actually was called Wonder Girl.

[SiegePerilous02]

Everyobe calls her Donna anyway, it would be easiest retcon ever to claim that she never actually was called Wonder Girl.

But that would be stupid of them, because they are still going to re-print the old material where she is called Wonder Girl and is visually tied to Wonder Woman in obvious ways even when just being called "Donna"

[Dr. Poison]

But that would be stupid of them, because they are still going to re-print the old material where she is called Wonder Girl and is visually tied to Wonder Woman in obvious ways even when just being called "Donna"

Agreed. I don't see how negating Donna's identity as Wonder Girl adds any value to the character especially being that her powers and most of her costumes have large similarities to Diana's.

[Fuzzy Mittens]

Which didn't stop DC from establishing for nearly a decade that Donna had been a long established superhero years before Diana left the island, gave her a new convoluted backstory involving the Greek titans, and even established her changing her name from Wonder Girl to Troia in universe to avoid being mistakenly thought to have any association with Wonder Woman.

Donna is a difficult character for stuff like this in large part because of how her scrambled origin changes make it hard to approach her. Hows a creative to know which origins on the table at a given moment?

[John Venus]

Which didn't stop DC from establishing for nearly a decade that Donna had been a long established superhero years before Diana left the island, gave her a new convoluted backstory involving the Greek titans, and even established her changing her name from Wonder Girl to Troia in universe to avoid being mistakenly thought to have any association with Wonder Woman.

Donna is a difficult character for stuff like this in large part because of how her scrambled origin changes make it hard to approach her. Hows a creative to know which origins on the table at a given moment?

As of the Tales of Titans issue, we are back to her original origin of being rescued from a fire by WW origin.

[Pinsir]

You know, its funny that Donna Troy has historically been marred by conflicting origin stories and a large part of Wonder Woman's current lore is that she was in a make-belief world for years. Makes me resent the Rebirth run even further.

[Agent Z]

You know, its funny that Donna Troy has historically been marred by conflicting origin stories and a large part of Wonder Woman's current lore is that she was in a make-belief world for years. Makes me resent the Rebirth run even further.

Then why don't you also hate the New 52 run for this same reason?

And what does this have to do with Tom King's run?

[Fuzzy Mittens]

To get back a little on track, as if I start pointing out in agreement that New 52 was pretty terrible in that respect we will get pretty thoroughly disrailed.

How long do people predict Tom King will be on the book?
With his sales numbers odds are good it will be for as long as he wants barring a significent sales dip, but how long do we think that will be exactly?
Odds of him surpassing Kanighers issue count?

[Psy-lock]

To get back a little on track, as if I start pointing out in agreement that New 52 was pretty terrible in that respect we will get pretty thoroughly disrailed.

How long do people predict Tom King will be on the book?
With his sales numbers odds are good it will be for as long as he wants barring a significent sales dip, but how long do we think that will be exactly?
Odds of him surpassing Kanighers issue count?

No way. I doubt anyone can ever surpass Kanigher. I'd say 50-65 issues tops. I know he said he wants to do 100, but it's quite rare these days for a writer to stay so long on a monthly title.

[Gaius]

To get back a little on track, as if I start pointing out in agreement that New 52 was pretty terrible in that respect we will get pretty thoroughly disrailed.

How long do people predict Tom King will be on the book?
With his sales numbers odds are good it will be for as long as he wants barring a significent sales dip, but how long do we think that will be exactly?
Odds of him surpassing Kanighers issue count?

King's said he'd do a 100 issues if he could but if didn't even get there with is Batman run I wouldn't bet on it with his WW run. Plus runs reaching a 100 issues in big two comics is almost non-existent these days.

I'm assuming somewhere around 30+ issues but maybe given how much he's talked about Perez being his motivation to take on the book he tries to match his number.

[Primal Slayer]

If he/Sampere can make it 40 issues it'd be a miracle