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    Quote Originally Posted by Vordan View Post
    She’s one of Diana’s patrons but I don’t think you can argue that losing Aphrodite hits the same as Joker killing Jason Todd or crippling Babs. Diana doesn’t know her on a personal level and we the readers don’t care. Oh the Greek gods are dead (again), whatever. For a death to hit its gotta be either familial (because we’ve all lost family members or can empathize with those that do) or someone who has been built up over the course of the story so when they die we the readers feel the loss just as bad as Diana. Y’know if Hippolyta has to die (and I don’t think she does, I think it’s better to keep her alive), she should’ve died at the hands of Cheetah or Circe.
    I mean, if that's not good enough, then she literally kills Diana in Alex Ross's Justice.

    Characters die all the time at this point. Hippolyta died like 3 times in less than a year. It's absurd that the qualification for a great villain is killing someone close to the hero.

    EDIT: Siege beat me to it!

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    I would say Diana being the "kill guy" is very overrated by the specific bunch of fans that really like her killing.

    A decent portion of Diana's rogues are some measure of immortal so they are about as unkillable as Joker and Luthor are.

    Like I remember that panel of her going to Batman and essentially bragging "Unlike you Bruce, my rogues actually stay down." Really Diana, can you share some names?

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    My head canon for Wonder Woman is that she isn’t a killer anymore than Kal or Bruce. It seems like it was a status applied to her mostly to differentiate her from Superman and Batman because they aren’t killers, without thinking about if it really fits the character.

    Again, it’s my head canon, but this is where I pull in some of Lynda Carter’s portrayal of Diana along with the warrior warrior-ing for peace. Not for rest in peace. Another point that I like in issue 1 is King having Diana relinquish the sword. To me, she always finds another way and is far more interested in subduing and invested in rehabilitating characters than offing them. She has one of the greatest tools ever to help her with this and the lasso is far more relevant to Diana than a sword will ever be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis-Ray View Post
    I would say Diana being the "kill guy" is very overrated by the specific bunch of fans that really like her killing.

    A decent portion of Diana's rogues are some measure of immortal so they are about as unkillable as Joker and Luthor are.

    Like I remember that panel of her going to Batman and essentially bragging "Unlike you Bruce, my rogues actually stay down." Really Diana, can you share some names?
    Deimos, Decay and the White Magician.

    Not the most famous names, admittedly.

    Of course, a villain doesn't need to live to be considered a quality villain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderScott View Post
    My head canon for Wonder Woman is that she isn’t a killer anymore than Kal or Bruce. It seems like it was a status applied to her mostly to differentiate her from Superman and Batman because they aren’t killers, without thinking about if it really fits the character.

    Again, it’s my head canon, but this is where I pull in some of Lynda Carter’s portrayal of Diana along with the warrior warrior-ing for peace. Not for rest in peace. Another point that I like in issue 1 is King having Diana relinquish the sword. To me, she always finds another way and is far more interested in subduing and invested in rehabilitating characters than offing them. She has one of the greatest tools ever to help her with this and the lasso is far more relevant to Diana than a sword will ever be.
    I don't see why wanting peace and using lethal force are mutually exclusive. Diana originally fought in WW2 under Marston's pen. Despite what a few elseworlds would have you believe, having a body count doesn't mean she is more likely to become a villain than any other hero. Even her giving the sword away seems more about not wanting to cause unnecessary bloodshed and give her enemies more ammo to smear her with given the situation is instigated by an Amazon killing men.

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    Bleeding Cool has her as the #4 book of the week

    Too bad we have no accurate sales charts anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel Dyer View Post
    In rehabbing Circe, I think writers need to rob Queen of Fables and Janus in focusing on Circe's threat to reality and her need to warp reality, to purge the horror of her past. The idea Circe is this monster, who is willing to cheat sentient beings out of their destiny and free will - freedom to love, fight, destroy, fail - aligns her with Wonder Woman in a way, makes her enmity with Wonder Woman more natural. Presently, even with James Tynion's revisions, we still don't know what she wants or why it should concern WW, beyond the Witching War.
    It concerns Wonder Woman in that it's getting innocent people hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy_McNichts View Post
    It is pretty annoying how many people on Twitter and Youtube and other places give strong, definitive opinions on Wonder Woman, her villains, lore and character without ever reading a single issue of her comic.

    Like, there are valid criticisms to be made about her villains, how they're used, Diana's character and supporting cast, etc....but a lot of these people clearly have never even looked at an actual Wonder Woman comic in their lives.
    Very annoying. But this seems to be the truth on many of these social media "hot takes"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    I don't see why wanting peace and using lethal force are mutually exclusive. Diana originally fought in WW2 under Marston's pen. Despite what a few elseworlds would have you believe, having a body count doesn't mean she is more likely to become a villain than any other hero. Even her giving the sword away seems more about not wanting to cause unnecessary bloodshed and give her enemies more ammo to smear her with given the situation is instigated by an Amazon killing men.
    I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive either. I just don’t think they’re Diana’s combo in my head cannon. To me she always finds another way and besides the lasso she has other tools and talents to subdue instead of killing. My version of who I think she is versus what’s sometimes found in continuity. Regardless, I’m glad King ditched the sword. She doesn’t need it. It was a clever way for her to renounce it in story as opposed to just not having it. I’m glad he went to that length to use it as a way to say and then show who Diana is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Boy View Post
    Very annoying. But this seems to be the truth on many of these social media "hot takes"
    Our entire world and culture is a lot of hot takes right now, without much research or understanding of nuance, so I’m completely unsurprised non-readers would leap into the breach with POVs. But it’s pop culture and everyone is going to have their version of Diana from whatever they’ve watched or read and connected with.

    Wonder reader fans often disagree with who she is so I can’t get possessive or gatekeep-y about it. I don’t have the time or energy when there’s so much other important work Diana herself would want me to do in our culture.

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