SHAZAM: FURY OF THE GODS reactions w/spoilers!

[mace11]

Actually Suicide squad didn't underperformed. It had an opening world wide weekend of $133M on a production budget of $175m. Because it was a little sift they went and spent an extra $90M on marketing taking it to $150M and it finished just shy of $750M in its full run in theatres.

He is talking about the suicide squad.
The second suicide squad movie is the one that flopped.

[Robotman]

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[Zauriel]

WW84 had a much worse start with only a $39M world wide opening weekend onnits $200M production budget. ÌIRC it only did $17M domestically opening weekend. Ironically, they pulled out of marketing after the flop opening. Had they doubled down like they did with SS it may have done much better.
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Maybe pulling out of the marketing right after the disappointing opening might have been a good decision for the studio executives who weren't willing to spend more cash on what is going to be another major flop.

Uh, WW84 debuted during the heart of the 'rona and TSS also debuted during the omnicron.

Shang Chi film also debuted not only at the height of corona pandemic but also at the height of anti-Asian sentiment in North America, so it should have flopped like Mulan film but it didn't and managed to become a moderate box office success.

He is talking about the suicide squad.
The second suicide squad movie is the one that flopped.

That is correct. I apologize for the confusion. I should have inserted the article "THE" to differentiate the 2 Suicide Squad movies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Suicide_Squad_(film)

[Zauriel]

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/releas...ef_=bo_tt_gr_1

The numbers for this Sunday dropped to -32.7%. Shazam 2 made only $7,405,697 this Sunday
The numbers for this Monday dropped to -77.2%. Shazam 2 made only $1,691,328 this Monday. That is almost $6 million less than the earnings from the previous day.

The box office ratings aren't looking good for Shazam 2 film.

The Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman 1984 also released day-and-date on HBO Max.

Ah yes that HBO Max, too.

[Guy_McNichts]

Shang Chi film also debuted not only at the height of corona pandemic but also at the height of anti-Asian sentiment in North America, so it should have flopped like Mulan film but it didn't and managed to become a moderate box office success.

WW84 was released December 2020. Shang-Chi was released September 2021.

That's almost a year with a critical thing in between: the vaccine.

I realize the pandemic lasted a long time, and is still going, but the "height" Shang-Chi came out in--also the end of summer, when illness is typically down due to warm weather--is not the same that WW84 did.

No movie was making making money at the time WW84 came out. Not even Christopher Nolan.

[kingaliencracker]

Putting aside any dislike fans or critics may have had for the movie, WW84 bombing had everything to do with the pandemic and simultaneous release. It would have done substantially better even with the overall response had they been able to wait one more year to release it.

[Zauriel]

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Could better marketing make a difference? if the studios had promoted the film more aggressively, would the film make more money?

WW84 was released December 2020. Shang-Chi was released September 2021.

That's almost a year with a critical thing in between: the vaccine.

I realize the pandemic lasted a long time, and is still going, but the "height" Shang-Chi came out in--also the end of summer, when illness is typically down due to warm weather--is not the same that WW84 did.

No movie was making making money at the time WW84 came out. Not even Christopher Nolan.

The Suicide Squad came out at around the same time as the Shang Chi film. Only one month difference. The Suicide Squad made only $169 million earnings against the budget of $185 million

[AnakinFlair]

Putting aside any dislike fans or critics may have had for the movie, WW84 bombing had everything to do with the pandemic and simultaneous release. It would have done substantially better even with the overall response had they been able to wait one more year to release it.

Or if they released it when it was originally slated to come out, instead of pushing it back like they did.

[OrangeRangerPete]

Putting aside any dislike fans or critics may have had for the movie, WW84 bombing had everything to do with the pandemic and simultaneous release.

Maybe, but you can't discount the fact that it was just a terrible movie. Take the pandemic out of the equation, and all the poor word-of-mouth would've caught up to WW1984 at some point.

Like, no offense, but what arrangement of circumstances could there have been, for WW1984 to be celebrated and hailed as financially successful?

[beatboks]

He is talking about the suicide squad.
The second suicide squad movie is the one that flopped.

The SS squad mentioned in the link was the 2016 one that didn't flop. It was a **** movie that did very poorly by most characters. Deadshot was nothing like deadshot from the comics s for starters.

[kcekada]

I'm not sure why 'Black Adam' was ever a thing before he showed up in Shazam. Black Adam is a great foe of Captain Marvel. Yeah, he was used to pretty good effect in JSA way back when -- but he should have debuted as a villain -- not in his own movie. I think most of this mess is on Johnson. He wanted his film, but it probably would have been more successful if B.A. debuted in a Shazam movie.

I do think Shazam could have been a more serious movie than it was. The idea of a kid with a grown up body and powers is interesting, but that isn't what Captain Marvel used to be. Cap was an adult version of Billy -- with the wisdom of Solomon -- he would not act like a kid in an adult body. I don't mind when Shazam goes more into fantasy that straight or grim stories, but the Black Adam story debuted in the Golden Age -- and it was always pretty dark. Black Adam should have debuted in the second Shazam movie -- and it probably would have done a lot better than Shazam or Black Adam.

What a mess. And frankly, I do think super hero fatigue is setting in -- largely because the properties are not being handled right by DC and Marvel.

[Noodle]

It also doesn't help that when you see Billy in both films, he's usually serious and doesn't make a ton of jokes. So the excuse that "Shazam is jokey because he's Billy with powers" doesn't even work because Billy acts nothing like Shazam.

[Username taken]

It also doesn't help that when you see Billy in both films, he's usually serious and doesn't make a ton of jokes. So the excuse that "Shazam is jokey because he's Billy with powers" doesn't even work because Billy acts nothing like Shazam.

I said this too in another forum.

It looks weird that Shazam behaves like a goofy, somewhat dim adult while Billy is quite serious.

It's even worse considering that Billy is nearly 18, it doesn't make sense how Shazam behaves at all.

[Frobisher]

I said this too in another forum.

It looks weird that Shazam behaves like a goofy, somewhat dim adult while Billy is quite serious.

It's even worse considering that Billy is nearly 18, it doesn't make sense how Shazam behaves at all.

It is weird. Like Shazam is always doing Fortnite dances and trying to headbutt buildings, and Billy looks like he's thinking about getting a mortgage.

[Material Flux]

It is weird. Like Shazam is always doing Fortnite dances and trying to headbutt buildings, and Billy looks like he's thinking about getting a mortgage.

It's been a while since I watched the first Shazam but I don't think it was this bad in that movie. Batman and Bruce Wayne have more in common than Billy and Cap had in this movie.