Do You Believe Comic Book Movie Fatigue Is Setting In?

[Zauriel]

He is bigger than Keaton, and had a recent hit with Mission Impossible: Fallout.

He hadn't made any film between Fallout and Top Gun: Maverick, so he seems to have some clear strategy.

He was much more prolific before Fallout, including a few flops (The Mummy, Rock of Ages, Oblivion) and a few critically acclaimed flops (American Made, Edge of Tomorrow.) I'm guessing there was careful brand management behind the scenes.

Tom Cruise is a zealous scientologist and has been a close friend of Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige since the 1980. Despite his association with scientology, his movies still sell unlike Ezra Miller's Flash.

Maybe scientology is not as bad as bad behavior (strangling people, disorderly conduct, burglary, etc)

[Powerboy]

DC League of Super-Pets 2022 was a big screen dc flop as well.

Meh, I liked it and it made back over twice it's budget. General consensus of movie forums seems to be it's a hit, just not a hit by the standards now expected of any superhero movie. It's also very clearly a children's movie with some adult appeal making back it's budget and more than that again is fairly decent.

[chicago_bastard]

My point is older people go to movies I see them there all the time Colossus1980 was saying using Batman 89 was a bad call because people who saw it then are to old to go to the movies and people younger don't care .

Since the pandemic there is clearly a decline in older demographics among moviegoers, that's why most movies skewing towards adults have been disappointments. Top Gun: Maverick was a rare exception where they came out in droves and that was because they basically got a carbon copy of the 80s original.

[mace11]

Meh, I liked it and it made back over twice it's budget. General consensus of movie forums seems to be it's a hit, just not a hit by the standards now expected of any superhero movie. It's also very clearly a children's movie with some adult appeal making back it's budget and more than that again is fairly decent.

What was the marketing budget for DC League of Super Pets (2022)?

Was it around the same as Birds of Prey?
If so then DC League of Super Pets flop like Birds of Prey and the Production Budget cause more.

Birds of Prey (And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) (2020)
Production Budget: $82,000,000
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Bi...0)#tab=summary

DC League of Super Pets (2022)
Production Budget: $90,000,000
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/DC...2)#tab=summary

[Powerboy]

What was the marketing budget for DC League of Super Pets (2022)?

Was it around the same as Birds of Prey?
If so then DC League of Super Pets flop like Birds of Prey and the Production Budget cause more.

Birds of Prey (And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) (2020)
Production Budget: $82,000,000
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Bi...0)#tab=summary

DC League of Super Pets (2022)
Production Budget: $90,000,000
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/DC...2)#tab=summary

From what I've read, the production budget was $90 million. The box office was around 210-220 million.

OOPS! You said "Marketing Budget". My mistake. It seems more like 130 million when you count all costs. Also, different movie sites seem to differ on "Hit or Flop" depending on whether they are judging actual profits or expectations.

[Mister Mets]

After a catastrophically bad opening weekend, the Flash had a catastrophically bad dropoff, the worst since Morbius.

https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/sta...91640024383488

So people on the fence about it didn't see a reason to go to theaters.

Tom Cruise is a zealous scientologist and has been a close friend of Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige since the 1980. Despite his association with scientology, his movies still sell unlike Ezra Miller's Flash.

Maybe scientology is not as bad as bad behavior (strangling people, disorderly conduct, burglary, etc)

Scientology isn't seen as being on the same level as the other stuff, and Cruise has been effective as messaging.

[Powerboy]

After a catastrophically bad opening weekend, the Flash had a catastrophically bad dropoff, the worst since Morbius.

https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/sta...91640024383488

So people on the fence about it didn't see a reason to go to theaters.



Scientology isn't seen as being on the same level as the other stuff, and Cruise has been effective as messaging.

For me, the thing is that it will be on HBO-Max probably in August, or two months after the theatrical release as opposed to the six months or more that it once was. I've waffled about seeing it and the fact it won't be but a couple of months is what keeps holding me back. Same with Spiderverse and Little Mermaid. I think we've reached the point where we have to look at overall success, including streaming.

That said, the only appeal the Flash movie has for me was that it might reset the history of the DCEU and that Michael Keaton was reprising his Batman role. Other than that, I far preferred Grant Gustin's Flash to Miller's FILO (Flash In Name Only alias Bart kind of).

[Mister Mets]

For me, the thing is that it will be on HBO-Max probably in August, or two months after the theatrical release as opposed to the six months or more that it once was. I've waffled about seeing it and the fact it won't be but a couple of months is what keeps holding me back. Same with Spiderverse and Little Mermaid. I think we've reached the point where we have to look at overall success, including streaming.

That said, the only appeal the Flash movie has for me was that it might reset the history of the DCEU and that Michael Keaton was reprising his Batman role. Other than that, I far preferred Grant Gustin's Flash to Miller's FILO (Flash In Name Only alias Bart kind of).

I didn't hate the Flash film, but it is a bad take on Barry Allen, continuing with his intro in the Justice League. I remember Grant Morrison writing about Peter Parker was a dork compared to the Kennedy Men who were the leads in earlier superhero stories and this specific take on Barry Allen (like the confession to Wonder Woman that he's a virgin) makes any take on Peter Parker seem confident and macho.

[mace11]

Thor Love and Thunder a Flop or Not, Complete Breakdown

[Red Falcon]

No, it is not a flop.

[Colossus1980]

Not a flop but caused a lot of damage to the MCU brand with it's over the top humor. Gave a black eye to Taika and I don't think the MCU ever wants him back to direct another movie. Also derailed a possible Thor 5 with the divisive ratings.

[Powerboy]

Not a flop but caused a lot of damage to the MCU brand with it's over the top humor. Gave a black eye to Taika and I don't think the MCU ever wants him back to direct another movie. Also derailed a possible Thor 5 with the divisive ratings.

I hate Taiki's approach. But you seriously think there's not going to be another Thor movie because an MCU movie had over the top humor? Everybody knows what a Taiki movie is going to be. It's going to be comedy, which could be great except when it's taking dramatic material and turning it into one-liners and fluff. But that hasn't stopped the popularity with the general public. In fact, a big problem is that audiences now expect most superhero movies to be fluff and they are "bad" if they aren't "loads of fun" by that definition.

[hyped78]

"Are we really ready for a post-MCU world?
The Marvel Cinematic Universe may be on the ropes, but what it's leading to is even more terrifying. Brace yourself for the ‘consumer-verse’…"

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/articl...b-global-en-GB

[Powerboy]

"Are we really ready for a post-MCU world?
The Marvel Cinematic Universe may be on the ropes, but what it's leading to is even more terrifying. Brace yourself for the ‘consumer-verse’…"

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/articl...b-global-en-GB

Yes. There are those who want to see the MCU end because then people will go see those "little" movies they've been ignoring. Even some celebrities say that. But what if people just don't go see movies nearly as often once the MCU ends? What if they still just hit the big blockbusters and nothing else?

[Geraldofrivia]

MCU was successful because they made watchable interconnected movies. They are no longer making watchable movies that is why they are struggling not because of comic book fatigue