Do You Believe Comic Book Movie Fatigue Is Setting In?

[Fridays]

Yes because BvS was so much more intellectual with "Batman Bad for being a Vigilante and killing" said the hypocrite whose a vigilante and kills people. & the great detective who believes if there is a 1% chance of an attack to must kill the person nothing fascist there. Then stops because their mommies had the same name.

China who was the Sudan's biggest trading partners used their veto on the U.N. Security Council to hinder efforts to stop the genocide in Darfur. It's not "Far-Right" to say the U.N. is corrupt and toothless.

On the political scale my views line up with Left Socialist so when someone implies being childish "mashing toys together" and "Far Right" for liking a movie I take it personal.

Keep on target it's funny now because some MCU films underperformed there's "Superhero Fatigue" but never mentioned when the DCEU & XCU regularly underperformed.

The DCEU has been part of that discussion. Shazam 2 and Black Adam flopping is prove. XCU never existed, X-Men never had a cinematic universe, fox just made movies of the series and this franchise has been officially dead since 2017. Had Disney not bought fox, fox would have carried on with their random mixed bag movies of the good and bad which will never have caused fatigued since the genre will still feel more like the science fiction or romantic genre with bad and good movies.

Its the cinematic universe movies that are making the genre fatigued not self contained films. I would have predicted that a hard core X-Men reboot under Fox of good quality would have been fared a lot better and felt more fresh than any of the predicable MCU Disney X-Men films.

DCEU may be part of the fatigue discussion but this does not apply to the entire DC universe since DC has other projects not tied to the DCEU that are more applicable to the romantic or science fiction genre as well. I hope Batman never shows up i the James Gunn reboot universe.

MCU and DCU types of movies is what is fatigued. other movies like Into the Spideverse 2 and The Batman 2, I don't see as part of the fatigue problem.

[Fridays]

“Comic book movie fatigue” as a topic fatigue has set in already. I swear there’s been posts asking this question every year since 2012 at least

There will always be superhero movies, as the IPs are important to their owners. At the very least there will always be Batman and Spider-Man movies, and eventually the popularity cycle will begin again. If these movies start making less money (consistently - Shazam, Black Adam and Ant Man are not the best metric imo) - then all they have to do is change tact. Unlike Westerns, comic book based superhero movies have proven that they can change tact and not just be classic action movie spectacles.

A studio like Marvel is not gonna make films other than superhero films because that’s what they were created for so unless it shuts down, I can’t imagine they’ll stop. Any smart executives will see which way the wind is turning and change strategy if they sense they need to.

The fact is, we’re living in a world where a Doctor Strange movie was a hair away from making a billion at the box office, same with a Black Panther movie that didn’t feature the previous main character. Even Thor 4 made a decent gross despite fairly bad word of mouth. All of which were up against impending releases on Disney Plus that would undermine their grosses regardless

Fatigue is not about money alone. Fatigue is more about comic films currenlty been in a place were nothing is exciting, fresh or worth a long term dwelling anymore. Top Gun Marverick is still in my subconsciousness and I do want to see Avatar 3 asap, however it is so bad for comic films that not even Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine again, is giving Deadpool 3 hype that is meant to surpass the first film, does anyone care what is going on with The Fantastic 4 reboot after MCU officially announced the film? There is zero hype. it is just another mcu generic film in the making. The Marvels looks like it belongs more on a Disney ABC TV Show.

The genre as of 2023 defines the word generic movies. the quality of comic films in 2023 is definitely fatigued. the quality may not be equally affected yet, however there are sign the levee is breaking. I have a feeling now that some people watch comic films because it is a habit they have become used to, not because of the quality or reinvention attempt of the genre.

[thwhtGuardian]

Fatigue is not about money alone. Fatigue is more about comic films currenlty been in a place were nothing is exciting, fresh or worth a long term dwelling anymore. Top Gun Marverick is still in my subconsciousness and I do want to see Avatar 3 asap, however it is so bad for comic films that not even Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine again, is giving Deadpool 3 hype that is meant to surpass the first film, does anyone care what is going on with The Fantastic 4 reboot after MCU officially announced the film? There is zero hype. it is just another mcu generic film in the making. The Marvels looks like it belongs more on a Disney ABC TV Show.

The genre as of 2023 defines the word generic movies. the quality of comic films in 2023 is definitely fatigued. the quality may not be equally affected yet, however there are sign the levee is breaking. I have a feeling now that some people watch comic films because it is a habit they have become used to, not because of the quality or reinvention attempt of the genre.

...that's not what fatigue is at all. It's literally a saying that means that the audience has moved on and the genre is starting to dry up at the box office.


Which isn't happening.

Not being exciting or fresh TO YOU PERSONALLY is something entirely different than a genre experiencing fatigue in the marketplace.

[hyped78]

Talking about the MCU specifically, I've become uninterested as of late. I was eagerly following everything in the MCU up until the end of Phase 3, but Phase 4 has been incredibly underwhelming for me and I would be surprised in Phase 5 turns it around

[Noodle]

Logan is an X-Men movie, Disney can hardly dream off talk of making it a reality. Logan is how to do a good film about X-Men stories. Disney is outclassed here. If you think it is not the best xmen film than Disney's job just got impossibly harder.

Not really, because Logan is incredibly overrated. It wasn't bad, but it's far from some cinematic masterpiece. It's not the bar for which Disney to reach. Your personal opinion doesn't dictate how a studio makes a film.

Sure Jen. Joker is not meant to be daring yet it is another movie beyond MCU reach that is always safe, which leads to boring.

First you said Joker was daring, and now you're saying it's not meant to be daring. You can't even keep your biased takes straight anymore.

Namor is getting his own movie right?

No.

They are self contained because they don't tie into any other marvel or dc character series. if Logan had met the cast of the fantastic 4 film in 2005, that will be a crossover. if nolan's batman had met with Brandon Superman from superman returns, that will no longer be self contained.

Batman Nolan Films and Logan are not part of any cinematic crossover universe. this is fact, period.

Logan is part of the X-Men Cinematic Universe. They've had spinoffs all connected to each other. This is a cinematic universe. This is fact.

The Nolan movies are a series of films all within the same world. This is a cinematic universe. Just because it didn't crossover with other characters doesn't make it not a cinematic universe. Self contained means "in itself and not dependent on other things." If a movie connects to another movie, even within it's own world, that makes it no longer self contained.

[Fridays]

Not really, because Logan is incredibly overrated. It wasn't bad, but it's far from some cinematic masterpiece. It's not the bar for which Disney to reach. Your personal opinion doesn't dictate how a studio makes a film.

Yes, an overrated movie that still disney cannot make because they will find it too ''mature'' or less superficially produced. what is disney bar? it is not my personal opinion, I read xmen comics. logan fits what their comics are about. the x-men comics when written well have a much higher bar than what disney has set.This is part of the reason MCU movies are a mess because disney keeps lowering the bar for marvel comics adaptation by making anything all about jokes, cgi, toys and the disneyism that has never developed intellectually for an real adult safe space.

In the 2000s, it was not so easy to hate on superhero films. it is easy to hate on them now because people see them as dumb, silly with little artistic freedom. A film like Ant Man 3 fails for the opposite reason The Batman works. Matt Reeves is The Batman's baby. Can anyone even name the director of ant man 3 without internet search? what they know is kevin feige made the film. this is why the quality of ant man is poor compared to the batman.

First you said Joker was daring, and now you're saying it's not meant to be daring. You can't even keep your biased takes straight anymore.

Never said that sorry. Joker is daring. Part 2 has my curiosity.

Logan is part of the X-Men Cinematic Universe. They've had spinoffs all connected to each other. This is a cinematic universe. This is fact.

Just because it didn't crossover with other characters doesn't make it not a cinematic universe. Self contained means "in itself and not dependent on other things." If a movie connects to another movie, even within it's own world, that makes it no longer self contained.

Wrong. No Fox X-Men films ever connected to other marvel IP. X-Men was a stand alone universe at fox. Show me a fox film clips of xmen film characters talking to sony or mcu characters before the disney purchase. I will wait.

The Nolan movies are a series of films all within the same world. This is a cinematic universe.

This is not a cinematic universe. Nolan will cringe at the idea of that. Knowing what kind of director he is.

a cinematic universe is MCU and DCU. These are the only real 2.

[Fridays]

Talking about the MCU specifically, I've become uninterested as of late. I was eagerly following everything in the MCU up until the end of Phase 3, but Phase 4 has been incredibly underwhelming for me and I would be surprised in Phase 5 turns it around

Phase 5 cannot turn things around. reason i cannot see why anyone will hype X-Men and F4. Marvel has had the same kind of quality post avengers 2012, i am surprised people are only figuring it out now. The disney veil has just been lifted after 10 years? or maybe now that people are over the crossover stories they can now see the low quality of mcu movies.

it always buged me how people were so willing to forgive the bad cgi, weak screenplay, bland cinematography, puppet directing style of the MCU just because the film had Falcon show up in an Ant Man 2 or because Thor will name drop tony stark in his films. I always want wtf???

I grew up with the sam raimi films. Actually making a quality billion dollar comic film mattered. there was no crossover storylines to hide behind crappy film making.

[Noodle]

Yes, an overrated movie that still disney cannot make because they will find it too ''mature'' or less superficially produced.

This is your opinion. Not fact.

what is disney bar? it is not my personal opinion, I read xmen comics. logan fits what their comics are about. the x-men comics when written well have a much higher bar than what disney has set.This is part of the reason MCU movies are a mess because disney keeps lowering the bar for marvel comics adaptation by making anything all about jokes, cgi, toys and the disneyism that has never developed intellectually for an real adult safe space.

Again, your opinion, not fact.

In the 2000s, it was not so easy to hate on superhero films. it is easy to hate on them now because people see them as dumb, silly with little artistic freedom. A film like Ant Man 3 fails for the opposite reason The Batman works. Matt Reeves is The Batman's baby. Can anyone even name the director of ant man 3 without internet search? what they know is kevin feige made the film. this is why the quality of ant man is poor compared to the batman.

I guarantee if you ask at least half of the people that watched The Batman who directed it, they'd have zero idea. Unless you're a giant name like Tarantino or Speilberg, the majority of the movie watching audience has zero clue who you are.

Never said that sorry. Joker is daring. Part 2 has my curiosity.

Yeah, you did:

Joker in 2018 was just as daring if not even more daring

Joker is not meant to be daring

And it's still not daring. At all.

Wrong. No Fox X-Men films ever connected to other marvel IP. X-Men was a stand alone universe at fox.

It was still a cinematic universe as it shared multiple films within the same world. You don't need to cross over to make a cinematic universe. All the MCU characters are all Marvel-owned IP (outside of Spider-Man, technically). They aren't crossing over with anything they don't already have control over.

Show me a fox film clips of xmen film characters talking to sony or marvel characters before the disney purchase. I will wait.

I don't need to, because that's not what dictates a cinematic universe.

This is not a cinematic universe. Nolan will cringe at the idea of that. Knowing what kind of director he is.

I don't really care what Nolan thinks. His opinion doesn't change what something is or isn't. Just like yours.

[Fridays]

This is your opinion. Not fact.
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Facts from knowing the source material. I factually know X-Men is not as disney present superhero movies. Logan was only redoing Old Man Logan and The Death of Wolverine story lines and those comics were slightly more grittier and was more adultly written. It is not just my own opinion, it is factually the intended purpose of why the source material was created.

I guarantee if you ask at least half of the people that watched The Batman who directed it, they'd have zero idea. Unless you're a giant name like Tarantino or Speilberg, the majority of the movie watching audience has zero clue who you are.

Many and if not most comic book fans know the name Matt Reeves and even more now after the movie came out. The general movie going audiences are also aware The Batman was a stand alone reboot not connected to the DCU.

And it's still not daring. At all.

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Sure, because MCU has scenes with this kind of narrative film making.acting, cinematography, dialogue , language, tone, violence, themes.



This may not be daring to you, however by disney's bar it is way too daring. Joker is how you keep the genre more interesting when you have other films like Shazam and Black Adam.

I don't need to, because that's not what dictates a cinematic universe.

MCU is definition of the cinematic universe term. Still wating for that clip of a crossover between X-Men and even F4 that was owned by fox.

I don't really care what Nolan thinks. His opinion doesn't change what something is or isn't. Just like yours.

Nolan opinions were good for the genre, when he was making comic films, the genre was not fatigued.

[Fridays]

The only thing more tedious and pathetic than ranting about superhero movie fatigue is yet another tired retread of Marvel vs DC.

It is beyond marvel vs dc. DCU is over, the box office flop of shazam 2 is the final nail in the coffin. DCU is so much of a mess now that they are rebooting.

Does anyone really think The Flash with Ezra Miller has a future? WB cannot wait till is over. they would have axed the film like they did with Batgirl if the film did not cost about 200 million dollars and more.

MCU and DCU have both made the genre fatigue. However were DC still shines bright is that they have other seperate movies worth caring about. MCU only has the MCU and with Disney on its neck sticking to their generic cgi comedy formula they really don't have any good alternate to offer than what they have already given.

[Noodle]

Facts from knowing the source material. I factually know X-Men is not as disney present superhero movies. Logan was only redoing Old Man Logan and The Death of Wolverine story lines and those comics were slightly more grittier and was more adultly written. It is not just my own opinion, it is factually the intended purpose of why the source material was created.

Both of those stories were written while Marvel was under Disney ownership. Funny, that.

Many and if not most comic book fans know the name Matt Reeves and even more now after the movie came out. The general movie going audiences are also aware The Batman was a stand alone reboot not connected to the DCU.

Comic book fans are only a small percentage of the people that saw The Batman. And I highly doubt the bulk of the people that viewed that movie knows who he is. They know it as a Batman movie, not a Matt Reeves movie.

Sure, because MCU has scenes with this kind of narrative film making.acting, cinematography, dialogue , language, tone, violence, themes.

It has nothing to do with the MCU. As a film in general, Joker is not daring.

This may noe be daring to you, however by disney's bar it is way too daring. Joker is how you keep the genre more interesting when you have other films like Shazam and Black Adam.

Which is funny because you claim all MCU movies are copy/paste of each other, but Joker copy/pasting another film and slapping a "DC" logo on it is "keeping the genre interesting."

MCU is definition of the cinematic universe term.

Shared universes existed long before the MCU. The MCU just popularized it.

Still wating for that clip of a crossover between X-Men and even F4 that was owned by fox.

And, again, I don't need to show one because that's not what dictates a shared universe. By your logic, the MCU wasn't a cinematic universe until Spider-Man was introduced because all the previous characters were all under the same studio (which proves my point, not yours).

Nolan opinions were good for the genre, when he was making comic films, the genre was not fatigued.

And it's not now. That's your opinion, not fact.

[Lightning Rider]

As others have stated, I just think a changing industry and changing tastes in superhero movies can explain the current dip. People have probably had enough of quippy action-comedies. With so much to watch at home, are you going to shell out money for something predictable or take the wait-and-see approach to see if others like it?

[achilles]

...that's not what fatigue is at all. It's literally a saying that means that the audience has moved on and the genre is starting to dry up at the box office.


Which isn't happening.

Not being exciting or fresh TO YOU PERSONALLY is something entirely different than a genre experiencing fatigue in the marketplace.

While it may not be your view, it IS a fairly common one.

[Fridays]

Both of those stories were written while Marvel was under Disney ownership. Funny, that.
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yes funny that becuase we also know disney left most of the comics alone as they were a smaller medium. disney has little say on the comics but they do with the movies. funny that in the comics of spiderman he is mostly treated as a grown up with adult issues similar to the sam raimi movies, however in the mcu he is basically a child.

funny also that the marvel comic universe has never been called an action comedy series as the MCU movies are.

funny that Disney is only letting deadpool 3 be r rated and not blade

Comic book fans are only a small percentage of the people that saw The Batman. And I highly doubt the bulk of the people that viewed that movie knows who he is. They know it as a Batman movie, not a Matt Reeves movie.

People know The Batman movie is not part of the DCU nor has similarities to DCU movies. more people know matt reeves directed the batman film. most can barely name mcu directors because they are not really relevant.

It has nothing to do with the MCU. As a film in general, Joker is not daring.

Joker is a more daring film than all the mcu films because the film styles and themes pushes the genre more than mcu can ever does.

And, again, I don't need to show one because that's not what dictates a shared universe. By your logic, the MCU wasn't a cinematic universe until Spider-Man was introduced because all the previous characters were all under the same studio (which proves my point, not yours).

Showing is evidence to back up opinions and facts. it is fact that fox never had a cinematic crossover movie with other Marvel IPs or characters that never fell under the X-Men umbrella.

And it's not now. That's your opinion, not fact.

Not really because Nolan's movies were highly artistically acclaimed g that made people see the genre beyond colors and toys. Nolan movies are less tiring compared to MCU

[thwhtGuardian]

While it may not be your view, it IS a fairly common one.

It isn't commonly held though...if it were then they wouldn't consistently be in the top ten highest grossing films year after year.