Wonder Woman by Brian Azzarello / What is your verdict?

[Sacred Knight]

Nevermind. Nothing inflammatory but woefully off-topic. Sorry all!

[Carabas]

They why didn't he use Wonder Woman's better known supporting cast and her rogues gallery?

It can be argued that after the way the franchise has been handled for multiple decades, that there is no longer such a thing as a better known supporting cast or a rogue's gallery beyond Circe and Cheetah.

[Diamond]

I give it 5 stars just because Azz is telling his story, not what editorial wants. It's incredibly good, too.

[Dr. Poison]

It can be argued that after the way the franchise has been handled for multiple decades, that there is no longer such a thing as a better known supporting cast or a rogue's gallery beyond Circe and Cheetah.

Yet, Steve Trevor has appeared in both the Wonder Woman animated movie and Justice League War. Cheetah was in also in the Wonder Woman movie and Justice League Doom and appeared in every run of Wonder Woman's since Perez with the exceptions of Luke's and Simonson's. Giganta and Donna Troy appeared in virtually every run of Wonder Woman since Heinberg and several even before that. Artemis was in the movie and has appeared in several Wonder Woman runs in the last decade as well. The disconnect wasn't severe for these characters until Azz took over the book. In fact, in every other book that Steve has appeared in frequently, his connection to Wonder Woman is always shown or at the very least, heavily mentioned. If these characters aren't better known for being connected to Wonder Woman, why have they appeared so often with her over the last decade? I really don't understand where you're coming from with "there is no longer such a thing as a better known supporting cast or a rogue's gallery."

[Carabas]

Well, for starters, I don't really consider anything that is not on a printed page to count towards what goes in comics. And I don't really consider anything that's not a comic to matter in a discussion that is entirely about the comics.

[Diamond]

Yet, Steve Trevor has appeared in both the Wonder Woman animated movie and Justice League War. Cheetah was in also in the Wonder Woman movie and Justice League Doom and appeared in every run of Wonder Woman's since Perez with the exceptions of Luke's and Simonson's. Giganta and Donna Troy appeared in virtually every run of Wonder Woman since Heinberg and several even before that. Artemis was in the movie and has appeared in several Wonder Woman runs in the last decade as well. The disconnect wasn't severe for these characters until Azz took over the book. In fact, in every other book that Steve has appeared in frequently, his connection to Wonder Woman is always shown or at the very least, heavily mentioned. If these characters aren't better known for being connected to Wonder Woman, why have they appeared so often with her over the last decade? I really don't understand where you're coming from with "there is no longer such a thing as a better known supporting cast or a rogue's gallery."

The majority of readers in the comics industry does not know or care about all these characters. Simple as that.

[Dr. Poison]

Well, for starters, I don't really consider anything that is not on a printed page to count towards what goes in comics. And I don't really consider anything that's not a comic to matter in a discussion that is entirely about the comics.

Ok then, even if we put the other media appearances of these characters off to the side, what about all of the other runs and comics these characters have appeared in during the last decade? Steve was in previous runs of Wonder Woman, Justice League, Justice League Dark, Justice League of America, and A.R.G.U.S. Cheetah has been in Wonder Woman, Justice League, Suicide Squad, and A.R.G.U.S. Giganta in Wonder Woman, Secret Six, Forever Evil, and Pandora. Donna Troy was in Wonder Woman, Titans, and Justice League of America. These aren't throw away characters that go 5 or more years without even seeing a cameo appearance.

[Dr. Poison]

The majority of readers in the comics industry does not know or care about all these characters. Simple as that.

The same could be said about the current supporting cast and antagonists currently appearing in Wonder Woman so I don't really see your point here. How many people who aren't reading Azzarello's Wonder Woman are familiar with Aleka, Strife, Milan, Sirracca, Cassandra, or the First Born? Probably much less than those who are familiar with Donna Troy, Steve Trevor, Cheetah, and Giganta.

[SteveGus]

The majority of readers in the comics industry does not know or care about all these characters. Simple as that.

And people who know of Apollo, Artemis, and Hermes do not know them as, and may prefer not to see them as, supervillains. Choosing these gods to be Diana's chief antagonists is a sour note, even if they were being kitted out properly to play that role.

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And people who know of Apollo, Artemis, and Hermes do not know them as, and may prefer not to see them as, supervillains. Choosing these gods to be Diana's chief antagonists is a sour note, even if they were being kitted out properly to play that role.

I don't think you can say they are cast as supervillians. The gods are acting as the gods always have - out of their own interests and relationships. They bicker and fight and change sides eternally. If anything, the slowness of the plot and the continuity of the story are the only thing keeping me on-board with the new 52 WW. I was never a fan of WW before, but the style & long story form got me this time. The purpose of a reboot is to change things up, and I think quite a bit of Diana was tied up in Cold War militaristic mentality, at least from my previous perceptions. Lastly, I'd add that the trade books are very very popular and long-form stories add to their appeal. It's been nice subscribing to a book that doesn't tie-in with half a dozen others (the reason I dropped the Justice League).

I was pretty thankful for the new 52 reboot honestly. My son had just started into comics and I was only coming back to them again after 25 years. However, that said, Aquaman and Wonder Women are the only two I read on a regular basis (well, and now Moon Knight). First post: don't shoot.

[My Two Cents]

Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman run has been my favorite comic for the past three years.
I think he is one of there top writers (not the best) but still up there enough for me to pass over on voting.

[Amazon Swordsman]

Do you guys really think that characters like Zola/Zeke, First Born, etc have potential to last beyond this arc?

[Dr. Poison]

Do you guys really think that characters like Zola/Zeke, First Born, etc have potential to last beyond this arc?

I think the First Born will survive this run. The character being used again is a whole different story though. Just look at Devastation and Genocide. Both have been stuck in limbo for several years now.

[SteveGus]

Do you guys really think that characters like Zola/Zeke, First Born, etc have potential to last beyond this arc?

I would not mind seeing Zola stick around; she makes a reasonable substitute for Etta Candy. Wonder Woman having to babysit a superpowered baby from time to time has potential for fun stories, if DC still did fun.

The First Born is another Doomsday clone and will disappear along with Genocide and Devastation and the host of similar inventions we've seen come and go.

[Carabas]

Do you guys really think that characters like Zola/Zeke, First Born, etc have potential to last beyond this arc?

I don't know. I also can't fathom why that would be important once this story ends. It's like a James Bond fan expecting Dr. No and Honey Rider to remain relevant characters in current continuity throughout the decades.