Wonder Woman by Brian Azzarello / What is your verdict?

[Auguste Dupin]

I would not.
Wolverine is not a Hulk rogue. Vandal Savage is not a Green Lantern rogue. Savage isn't even a Flash rogue anymore, he's become an independant villain, which Giganta is in the process of becoming as well.

I will add that Sabretooth, often considered to be Wolverine's archenemis, apparently appeared for the first time as a Iron Fist villain of all people.
Anyway, 4 stars for me. Perhaps my favorite DC comics book along with Action Comics right about now.

[Dr. Poison]

I will add that Sabretooth, often considered to be Wolverine's archenemis, apparently appeared for the first time as a Iron Fist villain of all people.
Anyway, 4 stars for me. Perhaps my favorite DC comics book along with Action Comics right about now.

I think those are exceptions to the rule, nothing more but I also said that in beyond which hero the villain was created for, one should also take into consideration which hero they fight most often. Pre-New 52, Giganta fought Wonder Woman more than any other hero.

[Blacksun]

Steve is a strange case, WW is important to him but the inverse is not true. Johns did the breakup some motivator for trevor.

[klinton]

I can see why other people would like it, but it's not for me.

This pretty much sums up my take on it. It's technically adept, and the story follows a logical progression... It has just failed to interest me, and has trod roughshod over some core fundamentals of who Wonder Woman is.

At first, I was content that perhaps I was in error of my assessments as there were all these new readers and critical praises.

Sales have once again declined though, and the meager plot has been stretched and dragged beyond all humane tollerance levels.

I don't begrudge those that have been enjoying it. I truly am happy that it's spoken to them and Diana has some new fans out there.

I'm just glad to see this chapter on her life coming to an end though. I'm more than a little thankful that gems like Superman/Wonder Woman and FE: ARGUS have been available as well to offer material more to my liking.

[klinton]

I think those are exceptions to the rule, nothing more but I also said that in beyond which hero the villain was created for, one should also take into consideration which hero they fight most often. Pre-New 52, Giganta fought Wonder Woman more than any other hero.

Aye. No matter how far they may stray from her own title, her rogues are always going to be her rogues.

Seeing the likes of Giganta, Cheetah, Circe and Doctor Psycho in other DCU titles doesn't make me feel that she has lost 'claim' to them. It merely underlines that a) these are fantastic villains that can and should be used, and b) just how off the mark Azarello's muddled mess really is for trying to abandon everything about the character (and her cast) that he's supposedly writing.

[Dr. Poison]

Aye. No matter how far they may stray from her own title, her rogues are always going to be her rogues.

Seeing the likes of Giganta, Cheetah, Circe and Doctor Psycho in other DCU titles doesn't make me feel that she has lost 'claim' to them. It merely underlines that a) these are fantastic villains that can and should be used, and b) just how off the mark Azarello's muddled mess really is for trying to abandon everything about the character (and her cast) that he's supposedly writing.

If anything, other writers using Giganta, Dr. Psycho, Circe, etc. in other New 52 titles other than Wonder Woman shows that these characters are far from disposable and other writers are taking advantage of the fact that Azzarello isn't using them and keeping them in the limelight.

I think we'll see most of them return to Wonder Woman in the next run or two.

[Blacksun]

This pretty much sums up my take on it. It's technically adept, and the story follows a logical progression... It has just failed to interest me, and has trod roughshod over some core fundamentals of who Wonder Woman is.

At first, I was content that perhaps I was in error of my assessments as there were all these new readers and critical praises.

Sales have once again declined though, and the meager plot has been stretched and dragged beyond all humane tollerance levels.

I don't begrudge those that have been enjoying it. I truly am happy that it's spoken to them and Diana has some new fans out there.

I'm just glad to see this chapter on her life coming to an end though. I'm more than a little thankful that gems like Superman/Wonder Woman and FE: ARGUS have been available as well to offer material more to my liking.

gems like superman/wonder woman...well...

[Carabas]

Aye. No matter how far they may stray from her own title, her rogues are always going to be her rogues.

Would you, based on the last three decades of comics, cathegorise Solomon Grundy as a Green Lantern villain or a Batman villain, or something else entirely?

[klinton]

Would you, based on the last three decades of comics, cathegorise Solomon Grundy as a Green Lantern villain or a Batman villain, or something else entirely?

I can't really say that I pay enough attention to him to have any opinion one way or the other. He's not really relevant to this discourse though.

Diana's rogues are all steeped in her stories and very much her rogues. Thier appearances elsewhere haven't been numerous enough to suggest otherwise at this point.

You may have a point in twenty years, were Azarello's Elseworlds Wonder Woman to continue at this pace. I don't see that happening though, and we'll see a return to form in upcoming runs.

For now, I've enjoying seeing Giganta wrend Pandora's limbs, Circe seducing soldiers, Cheetah infiltrating Waller's 'Suicide Squad' and Doctor Psycho beating down Superboy.

[Razor Tiara]

gems like superman/wonder woman...well...

It's definately a gem, heck look at my avatar. lol

[Razor Tiara]

Aye. No matter how far they may stray from her own title, her rogues are always going to be her rogues.

Seeing the likes of Giganta, Cheetah, Circe and Doctor Psycho in other DCU titles doesn't make me feel that she has lost 'claim' to them. It merely underlines that a) these are fantastic villains that can and should be used, and b) just how off the mark Azarello's muddled mess really is for trying to abandon everything about the character (and her cast) that he's supposedly writing.

I agree with posts 64 and 65, nice to meet you.

[Dr. Poison]

Would you, based on the last three decades of comics, cathegorise Solomon Grundy as a Green Lantern villain or a Batman villain, or something else entirely?

Alan Scott hasn't had a solo feature in decades so there has been next to no opportunity to see Alan and Grundy fighting each other but in most JSA stories that Grundy has appeared in over the years, there is almost always some Alan/Grundy confrontation or battle. I also think it's possible for a villain to be a part of more than one hero's rogues gallery. Gentleman Ghost is primarily a Hawkman rogue but I would also consider him to be a Batman rogue.