Has the Spider-Man editorial hate ever been this large and transparent?

[NC_Yankee]

Bots and alts and people from India. Still not very large numbers.

Let’s be reasonable. The only people who are taking time to respond to polls concerning Peter & MJ are hard core fans ( like those found here). That said, it does not make those people bots from India or anywhere else. That allegation is used to dismiss the opinions of those who support the marriage and do not like OMD and it’s aftermath, by claiming we essentially are trolls or worse do not exist,

[Vortex85]

Let’s be reasonable. The only people who are taking time to respond to polls concerning Peter & MJ are hard core fans ( like those found here). That said, it does not make those people bots from India or anywhere else. That allegation is used to dismiss the opinions of those who support the marriage and do not like OMD and it’s aftermath, by claiming we essentially are trolls or worse do not exist,

It's also illogical considering the fan support and approval of the marriage was prominent for 20 years of its existence as the book continued to sell and fan letters and response during those decades were mostly and largely positive and supportive of the marriage. That, and you see overwhelming support from real people across social media in multiple sites like reddit, twitter, youtube etc. It's not isolated to this website. In fact these forums tend to be less representative of the overwhelming support in larger numbers found elsewhere.

Peter and MJ were husband and wife to EVERY comic reader for 20 years as they bought and supported Spider-Man comics. Several hundred comics were produced that showed them go through trials and tribulations and pull through with love in the end and have moments of joy and happiness that fans grew attached to and became invested in. They continue to be the fan favorite couple today. Further, the fans of this couple extends beyond the comics into movies, video games, and cartoons where they are also recognized as the iconic couple of the Spider-Man franchise. The popularity of Spider-Man and knowledge about the character outside of the comics today means that as new comic readers come in, most of them will already have a presupposition and bias towards Peter and MJ being a romantic couple before they even start reading comics. Thinking that all of a sudden people are going to turn against the desire to see them reunited is pretty illogical and wishful thinking by those who don't like or support it.

[NC_Yankee]

It's also illogical considering the fan support and approval of the marriage was prominent for 20 years of its existence as the book continued to sell and fan letters and response during those decades were mostly and largely positive and supportive of the marriage. That, and you see overwhelming support from real people across social media in multiple sites like reddit, twitter, youtube etc. It's not isolated to this website. In fact these forums tend to be less representative of the overwhelming support in larger numbers found elsewhere.

Peter and MJ were husband and wife to EVERY comic reader for 20 years as they bought and supported Spider-Man comics. Several hundred comics were produced that showed them go through trials and tribulations and pull through with love in the end and have moments of joy and happiness that fans grew attached to and became invested in. They continue to be the fan favorite couple today. Further, the fans of this couple extends beyond the comics into movies, video games, and cartoons where they are also recognized as the iconic couple of the Spider-Man franchise. The popularity of Spider-Man and knowledge about the character outside of the comics today means that as new comic readers come in, most of them will already have a presupposition and bias towards Peter and MJ being a romantic couple before they even start reading comics. Thinking that all of a sudden people are going to turn against the desire to see them reunited is pretty illogical and wishful thinking by those who don't like or support it.

100% co-signed

[Alan2099]

Don't act like all fans loved the marriage and every aspect of it.

I can remember back in the 90s before the Clone Saga ever started, Wizard Magazine ran a big article on how to fix Spider-man and ditches the marriage was a big part of that, a part that lots of people agreed with.

Also it would help if you didn't lump people that like MJ and Peter as a couple together with MJ and Peter as having settled down and gotten marriage. Those aren't the same thing at all.

[Vortex85]

Don't act like all fans loved the marriage and every aspect of it.

I can remember back in the 90s before the Clone Saga ever started, Wizard Magazine ran a big article on how to fix Spider-man and ditches the marriage was a big part of that, a part that lots of people agreed with.

That is an opinion by one writer of a magazine. If a small minority of fans who dislike the marriage write in it may seem like a bigger section of the fanbase than it actually is. I have never seen support of single Peter anywhere close to the numbers of likes and votes we get on pro-married Peter in polls or in tweet numbers etc.

Also it would help if you didn't lump people that like MJ and Peter as a couple together with MJ and Peter as having settled down and gotten marriage. Those aren't the same thing at all.

True, but while the vast majority of fans liking MJ and Peter as a couple isn't necessarily the same thing as wanting them to be married, it does diminish the appeal of seeing Peter with other love interests. Seeing Peter single today is not the same as it was in the 60s and 70s prior to his relationship with MJ being developed and turning into his "Lois Lane". It would be much better to have single status quo with a character that does not have a single primary iconic / fan favorite love interest established in the franchise.

And again, to undo the status of MJ as Spider-Man's "Lois Lane" you would not only need the comics to stop using her as such, you would need cartoons, movies, video games, and any Marvel marketing to stop using her as well, and find another love interest to push across all those types of media consistently for a long time. That will be pretty much impossible on just the fact alone of the upcoming Spiderverse movie establishing MJ as Peter Parker's endgame love and mother of his daughter, never mind recent video games, cartoons, books, comics, etc.

[duke togo]

I would say most fans probably prefer better being married, and not only that with a kid. I think Peter balancing Spider-Man, marriage, work, and a child has a lot of potential. Either way, we should be WAY beyond the point we are at now and it should have been a father over a decade ago.

[HypnoHustler]

Don't act like all fans loved the marriage and every aspect of it.

I can remember back in the 90s before the Clone Saga ever started, Wizard Magazine ran a big article on how to fix Spider-man and ditches the marriage was a big part of that, a part that lots of people agreed with.

Also it would help if you didn't lump people that like MJ and Peter as a couple together with MJ and Peter as having settled down and gotten marriage. Those aren't the same thing at all.

Yes, that bastion of journalism “Wizard Magazine” that wanted Peter Parker to remain stuck in the Roger Stern era forever. They kind of paved the way for toxic fandom in the 90s and were a large factor in Marvel getting cold feet over giving Peter Parker any sense of forward momentum. Plus, they had a death wish against poor Ben Reilly. They’re gone now, so good riddance.

[Lee]

"The book continued to sell" is a wash. The book sold when Peter was single, it sold when he was married, it sold when he was de-married. 5 years from now the post-marriage era will have outlasted the marriage era.

If Marvel remarry Spider-Man, they get a brief sales spike, then back to normal. There are other ways to get a brief sales spike that don't handcuff the series long-term.

With the setup they have now, Peter and Mary Jane's relationship is an opt-in proposition. If the creative team wants to write them as a couple, they can. If they want to write them as just friends, they can. If they want to write them as exes with a lot of tension, they can. If they want to leave MJ off the table altogether, they can.

There's zero incentive for Marvel to change this.

[Vortex85]

"The book continued to sell" is a wash. The book sold when Peter was single, it sold when he was married, it sold when he was de-married. 5 years from now the post-marriage era will have outlasted the marriage era.

If Marvel remarry Spider-Man, they get a brief sales spike, then back to normal. There are other ways to get a brief sales spike that don't handcuff the series long-term.

With the setup they have now, Peter and Mary Jane's relationship is an opt-in proposition. If the creative team wants to write them as a couple, they can. If they want to write them as just friends, they can. If they want to write them as exes with a lot of tension, they can. If they want to leave MJ off the table altogether, they can.

There's zero incentive for Marvel to change this.

Sales has never been the reason for having Peter married or single, pointing out that the book continued to sell simply my way of pointing that out that. If sales were a factor Marvel would have made the claim they needed Peter to be single for better sales, which they never argued because that is not the case. Instead, they argued they needed Peter single because the character was about youth and he was single in the past and it used to work good for the stories.

The incentive Marvel had to make Peter single was the belief that they could make the same type of drama work like it did prior to MJ becoming the archetype of Peter' true love in the book. However, they overlooked her popularity and prevalence in the franchise as a whole and what she had been turned into over the decades since the 60s/70s. Fans know who and what she is in the franchise and the Spider-Man franchise can't go back to before that. The simple fact is that Peter being single no longer better serves the stories given the expectation and presupposition about Peter and MJ in the franchise as a whole.

[Mercwmouth12]

"The book continued to sell" is a wash. The book sold when Peter was single, it sold when he was married, it sold when he was de-married. 5 years from now the post-marriage era will have outlasted the marriage era.

If Marvel remarry Spider-Man, they get a brief sales spike, then back to normal. There are other ways to get a brief sales spike that don't handcuff the series long-term.

With the setup they have now, Peter and Mary Jane's relationship is an opt-in proposition. If the creative team wants to write them as a couple, they can. If they want to write them as just friends, they can. If they want to write them as exes with a lot of tension, they can. If they want to leave MJ off the table altogether, they can.

There's zero incentive for Marvel to change this.

And yet they wont You can't add a new LI or using someone like Black Cat as they always default back to MJ

[Username taken]

Article on looper acknowledges some of the news related to this thread referencing some twitter posts and the fan response:



https://www.looper.com/1248155/spide...d-baby-mayday/

Do people really want 616 Parker to have a “Spider-Baby”?

Like, why?

[Username taken]

Don't act like all fans loved the marriage and every aspect of it.

I can remember back in the 90s before the Clone Saga ever started, Wizard Magazine ran a big article on how to fix Spider-man and ditches the marriage was a big part of that, a part that lots of people agreed with.

Also it would help if you didn't lump people that like MJ and Peter as a couple together with MJ and Peter as having settled down and gotten marriage. Those aren't the same thing at all.

Exactly this.

[Mister Mets]

I believe "Akira" is CB Cebulski, he was the one who stated that there is currently no "mandate" against Peter being married, it's just a preference by editors at Marvel. He even went on to say if someone came up with great stories out of Peter being married, it could be done by a writer in the future. I saw the transcript of this conversation from c2e2 2023 and thought it was a an Apirl fool's joke because it contradicts previous information we have had on the subject. However, I went to the website with the full Q&A from the panel and this was actually part of it. Maybe CB is not being completely honest to take heat off of them and give people a sort of false hope, or perhaps something has changed, or maybe the idea of a mandate was a little bit of misinformation that was believed. Who knows? But it is an interesting information coming from Editor In Chief.

It's more of a semantic argument.

There probably isn't an explicit mandate, but it doesn't mean it would be easy to marry off Peter & MJ.

[Vortex85]

Do people really want 616 Parker to have a “Spider-Baby”?

Like, why?

Yes they do, because they feel it is a natural development of Peter Parker and MJ in the stories. It was setup in a past stories and is frequently featured in AU stories. Superman and Lois had a child, even Batman has a child, it gives a new character to feature and especially if its a young Mayday who many fans already love from her older AU counterpart. A lot of interesting stories could be made with a young Spider-Girl character and they could always choose not to use her across multiple arcs and stories by simply having classic stories focus on Peter out as Spidey and others where he is spending time with his wife and child or they could be pulled into the story too to add to more stakes/responsibilities for Peter.

[duke togo]

Do people really want 616 Parker to have a “Spider-Baby”?

Like, why?

Yes, it's a natural progression of the character. The love Peter and MJ have is pretty deep, and usually people tend to have kids when they are that in love. Plus, it's pretty clear they both want to have kids with each other, so it's something that would naturally happen. Problem is the powers that be have decided against this idea and have tried to reverse the characters growth. A true shame.