Cancel Culture and Movies

[ed2962]

Right-wing media used to shun pop culture. Now it’s obsessed with it.



https://www.vox.com/culture/23699343...e-mermaid-woke

I sorta disagree with the premise of the headline. I have clear memories of when conservatives would attack movies and TV shows over the amount of sex and violence contained. I remember them protesting 7-11s that sold Playboy and Penthouse, trying to get Motley Crue of MTV, taking Too Live Crew to court. Ice-T did a song called "Cop Killer" with his metal band and eventually the song was taken off the record. Some lady tried to get people to boycott the TV show Married With Children. I could go on and on...

[Pinsir]

After they got scammed into firing James Gunn by Snyderbots over some years-old tweets they dredged up, and all the 'woke' Don't Say Gay crap they are dealing with in Florida, with the retaliative attempts to legislate them out of business, I suspect Disney wishes this whole performative outrage thing would go away. In any event, innocent until proven guilty is still a thing, in theory, so it would make sense they wouldn't pile on with a pre-emptive press release rendering judgment before a jury of his peers had their say on Majors (who, AFAIK, has not yet gone to trial). It *sounds* bad, and *I* expect Marvel to recast Kang, but I also don't expect Disney to explain their reasoning to me, since I'm not that important to whoever is making these decisions that they need to consult me on it.

What? The guy that got James Gunn fired was a conservative, I know this because the same guy also got a political pundit I watched named Sam Seder fired from MSNBC for very similar jokes (he was late reinstated like Gunn). The Snyder people only hate Gun now because he is changing the course of DC films, which is silly, because Gunn is actually going to reinstate the Snyderverse.

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I sorta disagree with the premise of the headline. I have clear memories of when conservatives would attack movies and TV shows over the amount of sex and violence contained. I remember them protesting 7-11s that sold Playboy and Penthouse, trying to get Motley Crue of MTV, taking Too Live Crew to court. Ice-T did a song called "Cop Killer" with his metal band and eventually the song was taken off the record. Some lady tried to get people to boycott the TV show Married With Children. I could go on and on...

A lot of what you're referring to wasn't exclusively from conservatives.

The criticism of hip-hop in particular came from BOTH Republicans and Democrats. The push to get Cop-Killer off the air was bi-partisan at the time.

Yes, there's always been conservative pushback on stuff but the lines weren't clearly drawn as they are now because the "politics of contrarianism" wasn't entirely a thing then.

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What? The guy that got James Gunn fired was a conservative, I know this because the same guy also got a political pundit I watched named Sam Seder fired from MSNBC for very similar jokes (he was late reinstated like Gunn). The Snyder people only hate Gun now because he is changing the course of DC films, which is silly, because Gunn is actually going to reinstate the Snyderverse.

I don't know if Gunn is going to reinstate the Snyderverse but you're 100% correct that it was conservatives that got Gunn fired from Disney.

Which is part of the reason so many folks in Hollywood defended him at the time.

[Agent Z]

After they got scammed into firing James Gunn by Snyderbots over some years-old tweets they dredged up, and all the 'woke' Don't Say Gay crap they are dealing with in Florida, with the retaliative attempts to legislate them out of business, I suspect Disney wishes this whole performative outrage thing would go away. In any event, innocent until proven guilty is still a thing, in theory, so it would make sense they wouldn't pile on with a pre-emptive press release rendering judgment before a jury of his peers had their say on Majors (who, AFAIK, has not yet gone to trial). It *sounds* bad, and *I* expect Marvel to recast Kang, but I also don't expect Disney to explain their reasoning to me, since I'm not that important to whoever is making these decisions that they need to consult me on it.

What? The guy that got James Gunn fired was a conservative, I know this because the same guy also got a political pundit I watched named Sam Seder fired from MSNBC for very similar jokes (he was late reinstated like Gunn). The Snyder people only hate Gun now because he is changing the course of DC films, which is silly, because Gunn is actually going to reinstate the Snyderverse.

Amazing. You're both wrong.

[Jackalope89]

Looking back, a lot of early to mid 2000s films would not be made today. American Pie series comes to mind.

[Pinsir]

Amazing. You're both wrong.

Snyder-Gunism is the only true path forward, all will be revealed in due time...

[Username taken]

One can only imagine the uproar that "Mrs. Doubtfire" would have caused today.

Imagine the reaction to a guy that dressed up as a woman to get close to his kids...good lord...

[Agent Z]

Looking back, a lot of early to mid 2000s films would not be made today. American Pie series comes to mind.

If Euphoria and Riverdale can be made today, I don't see what's getting in the way of American Pie.

[ed2962]

A lot of what you're referring to wasn't exclusively from conservatives.

The criticism of hip-hop in particular came from BOTH Republicans and Democrats. The push to get Cop-Killer off the air was bi-partisan at the time.

Yes, there's always been conservative pushback on stuff but the lines weren't clearly drawn as they are now because the "politics of contrarianism" wasn't entirely a thing then.

I agree in the sense that yeah liberals have protested pop culture as well, even to the extent of teaming up or agreeing with conservatives on certain issues ( misogynist 70's porn, sexist hair metal bands, older black folks not liking gangsta rap etc ) ,,,but I reject the idea that old school conservatives simply ignored pop culture until Breitbart and these Daily Wire grifters came along. Conservatives have protested mass media since mass media existed. We can go back to not only the Mc Cartney era where they went after folks for being "Commies" but even before then going after Fatty Arbuckle etc,...

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I agree in the sense that yeah liberals have protested pop culture as well, even to the extent of teaming up or agreeing with conservatives on certain issues ( misogynist 70's porn, sexist hair metal bands, older black folks not liking gangsta rap etc ) ,,,but I reject the idea that old school conservatives simply ignored pop culture until Breitbart and these Daily Wire grifters came along. Conservatives have protested mass media since mass media existed. We can go back to not only the Mc Cartney era where they went after folks for being "Commies" but even before then going after Fatty Arbuckle etc,...

The article acknowledged that.

Certainly, Breitbart was not the first pundit to attack Hollywood from the right. As far back as the 1990s, one could find relatively high-minded cultural commentary and even film reviews from writers like Jonah Goldberg and John Podhoretz in the pages of National Review. Also on the menu for conservative critics of yore were intermittent servings of “moral panic” aimed at sex, violence, and anti-Christian sentiment in mainstream entertainment (and even further back in time, during McCarthyism, conservative-minded newspaper columnists like Walter Winchell and Hedda Hopper were known for railing against suspected communists in Hollywood, even naming names and destroying careers in the process).

[Jokerz79]

It wasn't liberals who cancelled the Dixie Chicks or the Beatles a generation early. The right no matter religious right or just far right have always participated in cancel culture as has the left.

[Brian B]

A lot of what you're referring to wasn't exclusively from conservatives.

The criticism of hip-hop in particular came from BOTH Republicans and Democrats. The push to get Cop-Killer off the air was bi-partisan at the time.

Yes, there's always been conservative pushback on stuff but the lines weren't clearly drawn as they are now because the "politics of contrarianism" wasn't entirely a thing then.

And today, “Cop Killer” is widely recognized as a classic. Ice T and Body Count just told it like it was and is, true poets of the streets.

It goes to show you that hyped up outrage is no judge of what’s actually good art.

[Brian B]

It wasn't liberals who cancelled the Dixie Chicks or the Beatles a generation early. The right no matter religious right or just far right have always participated in cancel culture as has the left.

The Beatles canceled themselves, sadly. No critics really shut them down. Their own success, management, sex, drugs, frayed relationships and money shut them down.

[Kirby101]

The Beatles canceled themselves, sadly. No critics really shut them down. Their own success, management, sex, drugs, frayed relationships and money shut them down.

I think we are talking about the reaction to John saying they were more popular than Jesus, not their disbanding.