Explain this to me like I'm a 5-year-old

[Slimybug]

So full disclosure, I haven't really read a new Marvel comic book for over a decade. But I'm trying to gain a new understanding of them.

So I used to think Secret Wars 2015 totally rebooted Marvel Comics, similar to what DC did in 2011 with Flashpoint. (or Star Trek in 2009, or Mortal Kombat in 2011. Thanks a lot, Abrams.) But I was told this wasn't the case and from what I remember what it mainly did was merge Miles Morales into the Marvel history.

So it was less like Flashpoint and more like Crisis on Infinite Earths, just merging two realities but keeping most of the continuity we know intact.
(Or at least, so that's what Crisis was initially intended to do before it ended up basically rewriting all DC history, but I digress. You get what I mean.)

Is this accurate? I would've rather liked it if they rebooted, and I like that they did that at DC. After all, how far can you take the sliding timescale? (At DC, Batman would've been in his 50s right now if not for Flashpoint). How many times can our heroes fight the same villains?


Also, on a side note, I was curious, were the events of One More Day ever undone? From what I'm reading, it looks like they were finally undone in 2021 in ASM 74. Am I getting that right? Are they married again? Did they remember their marriage?

[D.Z]

OMD wasn't undone.

The new Marvel Universe basically nip, tuck, addition, and more, but is also very similar to the old destroyed Marvel Universe. We are in the 8th cosmos now and Prime Earth (616) is the main universe.

Also not every destroyed universe came back.

[Slimybug]

Oh man, that DOES sound like a Flashpoint situation. Like, it's a whole new universe? So they can basically say whatever they please from past continuity fits or doesn't in this new world? See, I knew there was a reason I gave up reading Marvel!

[Triniking1234]

Oh man, that DOES sound like a Flashpoint situation. Like, it's a whole new universe? So they can basically say whatever they please from past continuity fits or doesn't in this new world? See, I knew there was a reason I gave up reading Marvel!

No. After Secret Wars, everything continued as it was before. So the O5 X-Men were still in the present and Spider-Man who was in charge of a multi-million dollar company because Doc Ock was using his body for a while.

The only change was that Miles Morales from Ultimate Spider-Man was living in New York with Peter Parker Spider-Man.

[Alan2099]

So I used to think Secret Wars 2015 totally rebooted Marvel Comics, similar to what DC did in 2011 with Flashpoint. (or Star Trek in 2009, or Mortal Kombat in 2011. Thanks a lot, Abrams.)

I was closer to the Age of Apocalypse (the original version). They blew up the universe, replaced it with something else, then at the end of the story brought the original universe back, just with a few minor changes here and there.

Is this accurate? I would've rather liked it if they rebooted, and I like that they did that at DC. After all, how far can you take the sliding timescale? (At DC, Batman would've been in his 50s right now if not for Flashpoint). How many times can our heroes fight the same villains?

If they rebooted things, wouldn't they still be fighting the same villains, just with the word "rebooted" added to the description?

Also, on a side note, I was curious, were the events of One More Day ever undone? From what I'm reading, it looks like they were finally undone in 2021 in ASM 74. Am I getting that right? Are they married again? Did they remember their marriage?

They aren't married and don't remember it, but various stories have showed us that whatever Mephisto had planned, he failed miserably at. Also, pretty much everything that changed has been explained as having nothing to do with Mephisto and Mephisto himself may have accidentally retconned his own involvement out of it, depending on how you interprate the stories.

[D.Z]

Marvel pretty much hyped it up as a new universe. And used new destination for awhile and switched to the new 616 is really the prime universe over all others.

Ewing had the previous 7 cosmos showed up in his works, so the pre SW Marvel Universe.

Some Marvel workers even joked or hinted that many characters are copies.

[Brian B]

…They aren't married and don't remember it, but various stories have showed us that whatever Mephisto had planned, he failed miserably at. Also, pretty much everything that changed has been explained as having nothing to do with Mephisto and Mephisto himself may have accidentally retconned his own involvement out of it, depending on how you interprate the stories.

No retcon or even an infinite number of retcons can erase the stain that is One More Day.

It’s canon. Everyone who cares knows it. They just can’t erase it. We know what Marvel did to Peter and MJ! Marvel is like Lady Macbeth in this regard, trying to wash the blood from its hands.

[D.Z]

Oh man, that DOES sound like a Flashpoint situation. Like, it's a whole new universe? So they can basically say whatever they please from past continuity fits or doesn't in this new world? See, I knew there was a reason I gave up reading Marvel!

No, not a whole new universe continuity wise but still new universe structure wise. They only added in stuff without subtracting most of the old continuity.

Some survivors were folded in the exact roles in the new universe they had and aren't copies.

[jackolover]

So full disclosure, I haven't really read a new Marvel comic book for over a decade. But I'm trying to gain a new understanding of them.

So I used to think Secret Wars 2015 totally rebooted Marvel Comics, similar to what DC did in 2011 with Flashpoint. (or Star Trek in 2009, or Mortal Kombat in 2011. Thanks a lot, Abrams.) But I was told this wasn't the case and from what I remember what it mainly did was merge Miles Morales into the Marvel history.

So it was less like Flashpoint and more like Crisis on Infinite Earths, just merging two realities but keeping most of the continuity we know intact.
(Or at least, so that's what Crisis was initially intended to do before it ended up basically rewriting all DC history, but I digress. You get what I mean.)

Is this accurate? I would've rather liked it if they rebooted, and I like that they did that at DC. After all, how far can you take the sliding timescale? (At DC, Batman would've been in his 50s right now if not for Flashpoint). How many times can our heroes fight the same villains?


Also, on a side note, I was curious, were the events of One More Day ever undone? From what I'm reading, it looks like they were finally undone in 2021 in ASM 74. Am I getting that right? Are they married again? Did they remember their marriage?

From all my recollections of post Secret Wars 2015, I’d say Marvel made a new universe, but transplanted all the 616 into it. They call it the 8th Iteration of the Universe. There had been 7 other iterations before it.

What I gather is happening now is that this new universe has different laws of physics to the previous 616. Magic was disturbed. Different power sources were flung to the outer reaches of the Multiverse. I forget the name of this stuff. Then, just recently in the Fantastic Four Reckoning War saga, another 90% of the universe was restored that had been destroyed or hidden all this time.

It’s a strange combination of the 616 with different rules. I originally thought it was created as a way to incorporate diversity into the 616, because it was so white, male, oriented. But the original characters made a comeback after Legacy, and we now have mainly original characters in the comics again. There are the diversity crowd there too, so you can pick whether you want to read originals or diversity. Myself, I miss the Champions series as a challenge to the originals. That was a great series.

[D.Z]

Seems at one point they borrowed 1610 emptiness in space.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/upl...501204-300.png

But different reasons why it was mostly empty of course.