Explain this to me like I'm a 5-year-old

[Ultimate Captain America]

Okay, so let me make sure I understand this, and start by copying and pasting those names:

Reed Richards, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Starlord, Cyclops, Peter Parker, Miles Morales, Thor (Jane Foster), Thanos, Black Swan, Terrax, Namor, Proxima Midnight, Maximus, Corvus Glaive, and the Maker....


are the only ones who remember how the old 616 was?

If a comparison with DC helps, this is like post-Crisis DC, but on a much smaller scale. Secret Wars itself is the only thing nobody remembers except for this handful of characters (and Doom, Strange, Molecule Man, and Old Man Logan). Everything that happened before it, up to and including the last incursion? Still happened, still canon, and still remembered by everybody.

Oh, and add Loki to the list. Now that I remembered, he also managed to escape the destruction of the multiverse. But in his case, he skipped Battleworld completely. He had his own little adventure elsewhere and then rejoined reality when it was restored.

[mugiwara]

This is quite similar to when Genis Vell killed Eternity and later rebooted the whole universe, with minor differences like the existence of his sister Phyla.

Everything than happened pre-Secret Wars still happpened, the characters are still the same, and have the same history.

[marhawkman]

Yeah it's just an excuse for Marvel to change stuff without giving a specific explanation. If it's not brought up... assume it hasn't changed.

[SanityOrMadness]

Of course, there are a handful of exceptions. Dr. Doom, Dr. Strange and Molecule Man where elsewhere at the moment of destruction and are the architects of Battleworld, not duplicates. It was always them, and so they remember.

Does Strange remember? He was killed on Battleworld and part of the mass resurrection afterward (as was Cyclops, from your other list.)

Old Man Logan is the only character from a Battleworld domain that somehow managed to escape to the restored Earth-616.

Nope. For one thing, the entirety of the Weirdworld domain did. Otherwise... there weren't many, but an alternate Leah from the SW Siege series ended up in 616 (seen in the Angela: Queen of Hell series), and I'm pretty sure there were a few others too here & there.

[Triniking1234]

Does Strange remember? He was killed on Battleworld and part of the mass resurrection afterward (as was Cyclops, from your other list.)

It depends on the writer. Ewing implied Carol, T'Challa and Thanos remember and Thanos got killed by Doom. Both Spider-Men remember but Slott never brings it up in the rest of his run.

[Brian B]

…They aren't married and don't remember it, but various stories have showed us that whatever Mephisto had planned, he failed miserably at. Also, pretty much everything that changed has been explained as having nothing to do with Mephisto and Mephisto himself may have accidentally retconned his own involvement out of it, depending on how you interprate the stories.

No retcon or even an infinite number of retcons can erase the stain that is One More Day.

It’s canon. Everyone who cares knows it. They just can’t erase it. We know what Marvel did to Peter and MJ! Marvel is like Lady Macbeth in this regard, trying to wash the blood from its hands.

[williamtheday]

Wasn't the MC Universe already destroyed and revived in Dr. Strange back in the 70's?

[marhawkman]

Wasn't the MC Universe already destroyed and revived in Dr. Strange back in the 70's?

Marvel usually doesn't make massive continuity destroying changes when doing that though.... usually.

[SanityOrMadness]

Wasn't the MC Universe already destroyed and revived in Dr. Strange back in the 70's?

Yes, also in Captain Marvel in the early 2000s, Chaos War in the early 2010s, and a bunch of other times I forget.

[D.Z]

Not exactly the same since they used new number for the cosmos. So a new universe that is a continuation of the previous destroyed universe.

They did cram Miles and his cast in.

[jackolover]

So full disclosure, I haven't really read a new Marvel comic book for over a decade. But I'm trying to gain a new understanding of them.

So I used to think Secret Wars 2015 totally rebooted Marvel Comics, similar to what DC did in 2011 with Flashpoint. (or Star Trek in 2009, or Mortal Kombat in 2011. Thanks a lot, Abrams.) But I was told this wasn't the case and from what I remember what it mainly did was merge Miles Morales into the Marvel history.

So it was less like Flashpoint and more like Crisis on Infinite Earths, just merging two realities but keeping most of the continuity we know intact.
(Or at least, so that's what Crisis was initially intended to do before it ended up basically rewriting all DC history, but I digress. You get what I mean.)

Is this accurate? I would've rather liked it if they rebooted, and I like that they did that at DC. After all, how far can you take the sliding timescale? (At DC, Batman would've been in his 50s right now if not for Flashpoint). How many times can our heroes fight the same villains?


Also, on a side note, I was curious, were the events of One More Day ever undone? From what I'm reading, it looks like they were finally undone in 2021 in ASM 74. Am I getting that right? Are they married again? Did they remember their marriage?

From all my recollections of post Secret Wars 2015, I’d say Marvel made a new universe, but transplanted all the 616 into it. They call it the 8th Iteration of the Universe. There had been 7 other iterations before it.

What I gather is happening now is that this new universe has different laws of physics to the previous 616. Magic was disturbed. Different power sources were flung to the outer reaches of the Multiverse. I forget the name of this stuff. Then, just recently in the Fantastic Four Reckoning War saga, another 90% of the universe was restored that had been destroyed or hidden all this time.

It’s a strange combination of the 616 with different rules. I originally thought it was created as a way to incorporate diversity into the 616, because it was so white, male, oriented. But the original characters made a comeback after Legacy, and we now have mainly original characters in the comics again. There are the diversity crowd there too, so you can pick whether you want to read originals or diversity. Myself, I miss the Champions series as a challenge to the originals. That was a great series.

[D.Z]

Seems at one point they borrowed 1610 emptiness in space.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/upl...501204-300.png

But different reasons why it was mostly empty of course.