Star Trek: Section 31 Movie

[Jokerz79]

Not trolling.

Tired of seeing misanthropes and mysognists in geek culture.

I wouldn't be opposed to all the NuTrek being another branch of the Kelvinverse or a new continuity.

For now, I treat it like when an artist changes on a comic I'm reading; as long as it is good, I am happy. While it looks different visually, it's fun seeing the puzzle pieces come together.

Most of it has been good and the Emperor and Pike have been the best things coming out of Discovery IMHO. So yay for more of them.

I absolutely Despised DISCO simply because I hated its grim outlook. I'm very forgiving of Trek hell I legit enjoy all the films but the future has to be optimistic, and Starfleet and the Federation must stand for that future you can have rogue factions just keep the rest optimistic. Hence why I like SNW and Orville (Not Trek but close enough).

BUT there is a larger problem with Star Trek and Star Wars fandoms and that is even when you get rid of misanthropes and the misogynists those 2 "communities" are full of gatekeepers, nitpickers, and just flat out "C U Next Tuesdays" if you get my drift.

[ChrisIII]

Enterprise also had a few Section 31 episodes, I think Reed was one of them.


I think Discovery in part might've been influenced to a degree by the Battlestar Galactica in it's early seasons, I think in a way it was almost inevitable.

Funny thing is that Ronald D Moore was a major Star Trek writer for TNG and DS9, in particular the Klingon episodes.

There's an episode of CSI where a Star Trekesque show is reimagined as a gritty reboot. Even some of the Galactica producers and cast appeared in cameos as a wink, including Moore.

[BeastieRunner]

I absolutely Despised DISCO simply because I hated its grim outlook. I'm very forgiving of Trek hell I legit enjoy all the films but the future has to be optimist and Starfleet and the Federation must stand for that future you can have rogue factions just keep the rest optimist. Hence why I like SNW and Orville (Not Trek but close enough).

BUT there is a larger problem with Star Trek and Star Wars fandoms and that is even when you get rid of misanthropes and the misogynists those 2 "communities" are full of gatekeepers, nitpickers, and just flat out "C U Next Tuesdays" if you get my drift.

There are an awful lot of hate watchers, LOL!

I enjoyed parts of Discovery and think S4 finally felt like ... Trek.

Love SNW and Prodigy.

And totally agree on the grim dark stuff. That is very prevalent in genre fiction right now, sadly. The f bombs in Picard and the gruesome violence really took me out of the show. The two this season ... Picard's was okay but felt a bit character assassiny to me. It was well acted however! The changeling one was just stupid and tacky. Both felt forced. Riker's swears were well timed and the sword one was frickin' hilarious (and apparently ad-libbed as they never told him the prop was heavy).

The Gorn episode in SNW is how the dark stuff should be handled in Trek IMHO. Sometimes the imagination is far better.

[Jokerz79]

Enterprise also had a few Section 31 episodes, I think Reed was one of them.


I think Discovery in part might've been influenced to a degree by the Battlestar Galactica in it's early seasons, I think in a way it was almost inevitable.

Funny thing is that Ronald D Moore was a major Star Trek writer for TNG and DS9, in particular the Klingon episodes.

There's an episode of CSI where a Star Trekesque show is reimagined as a gritty reboot. Even some of the Galactica producers and cast appeared in cameos as a wink, including Moore.

Oh yeah when DISCO 1st started with the interior look of the ships, the spore drive which mirrored the FTL, and the basic tone of the show I felt it was more 21st century BSG than Trek.

Edit: Prodigy was Awesome loved it even more than SNW and I loved that show.

[Powerboy]

Not trolling.

Tired of seeing misanthropes and mysognists in geek culture.

I wouldn't be opposed to all the NuTrek being another branch of the Kelvinverse or a new continuity.

For now, I treat it like when an artist changes on a comic I'm reading; as long as it is good, I am happy. While it looks different visually, it's fun seeing the puzzle pieces come together.

Most of it has been good and the Emperor and Pike have been the best things coming out of Discovery IMHO. So yay for more of them.

I'm not entirely sure how disliking the prequels equals misanthropes. To be sure, some of the criticisms are simply a hatred of anything new and, worse, a hatred of even acknowledging the existence of, let alone acceptance of certain human beings such as people who are gay or trans. Note that SNW episode that had a trans actress playing a character who may not even be trans. She has a line where she tells Spock that being different or something new isn't bad and he should accept his nature. There were people posting things like "We know what you're really trying to say". Yeah, they were saying that bigotry is bad, just like TOS said and just like that episode of TNG where a character said to Data, "Or maybe you're just different. It isn't a sin, you know, although I'm sure you've heard otherwise". Yes, they were implying that bigotry against trans people is bad. That was pure Star Trek.

Outside of Discovery, I like all of the new Trek stuff. My issue is just with the continuity. I know TOS had contradictions but some of the inconsistencies in the prequels just takes me out of the story.

I do not want a prequel where men cannot get used to there being a woman on the bridge (The Cage) or where women cannot even be starship captains (Turnabout Intruder). I'm less forgiving of changes that seem unnecessary like the changes in the Gorn. But I really think it's time that TOS is sort of wrapped in a non-interference cloak where it stands alone in it's own reality and we get a new Star Trek with Kirk as captain and so on, a reality that fits in with the prequels like Discovery and Strange New Worlds.

I don't really have a problem with TNG, DS9, Voyager and even Enterprise being in the same "reality" as the original TOS. We had the DS9 crew going back to a recognizable TOS in "Trials and Tribulations" and the Mirror Universe Enterprise discovering a recognizable original Constitution class Enterprise and surmising they must have reached an era where they became fascinated with their own technology (and gawdy decorating).

The first season of SNW and LD have been two of my favorite Star Trek shows. Just shuffle them off into their own reality. Well, not LD but the others.

The Kelvin timeline doesn't work because we've already seen that version if Pike facing a different fate and that Kirk deviating into being an action movie character who will never encounter the meaningful stories TOS had. So, a new timeline.

[Powerboy]

Enterprise also had a few Section 31 episodes, I think Reed was one of them.


I think Discovery in part might've been influenced to a degree by the Battlestar Galactica in it's early seasons, I think in a way it was almost inevitable.

Funny thing is that Ronald D Moore was a major Star Trek writer for TNG and DS9, in particular the Klingon episodes.

There's an episode of CSI where a Star Trekesque show is reimagined as a gritty reboot. Even some of the Galactica producers and cast appeared in cameos as a wink, including Moore.

I remember seeing some Star Trek retrospective hosted by Shatner where it was noted that the more Star Trek moved away from a positive view of the future, the more gritty, dark and "realistic" it became, the more the ratings dropped. I think that's not what most people want from Star Trek.

In that way, Discovery did one thing right. Don't show people fighting for gay rights. Show a future where homosexuality is completely accepted. But it was too Dystopian in so many other ways.

The Orville constantly showed bigotry but it was always coming from societies outside of the "Union". I think the trick for Star Trek is to deal with stuff but not give the feeling that the Federation has become a Dystopian future. There will still be the anti-woke bigots but I think it would appease what I would call honest Star Trek fans.

[ChrisIII]

Voyager seemed pretty optimistic, although some of their enemies were among Trek's most disturbing such as the organ harvesters, predator-like aliens and of course the Borg.

[Godzilla2099]

Of all the modern Trek changes, my least favorite by far is turning the concept of Section 31 from an unofficial shadow cabal doing things from the shadows to further the Federation without their knowledge, unknown even to high ranking admirals and such unless you were specifically in on things, with no organization, offices, or records...to the official CIA of the Federation with their own god damn badges.

I somewhat disagree. For extremely grim tasks sometimes the less people know the better.

- If too many people know, info would leak
- If too many know there would be complications (Delays and conflicts of interest)
- If caught, only key members going down. This would maintain damage control for the entire organization
- Section 31 is so effective because its composed of specialists fit for the job. This is one of the many reasons I liked Admiral Ross so much.

[WebLurker]

I'm curious to see how it turns out as well considering Yeoh's character was shown eating Kelpiens because they were yummy. Good luck redeeming that...

You do realize that, at best, mirror Georgiou was a villain protagonist. She may have been given some traits that added some depth to make her more than a cartoon character, but she was never the good guy. Heck, it's a Section 31 project, for pete's sake! The point is to focus on the darker side of the Star Trek universe. (Wouldn't be surprised if the movie is similar to the mirror Georgiou-centric DSC novel Die Trying; while Georgiou does save the day in the end, she remains a brutal agent with a self-serving streak, with the supporting characters being the ones to provide the moral center of the tale. It's actually a pretty good read and expands on some characters and concepts from the other TV shows.)

...but then again this is Nutrek, where Klingons ate the mirror universe's Philippa Georgiou's good doppelganger.

Context isn't just for kings; in the scene (from ""The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"), it's indicated that the Klingons in question, trapped on a crippled ship ever since the Battle of the Binary Stars, resorted to that out of starvation. (Also, for what it's worth, years earlier in "Blood Oath" [DS9], we saw a group of Klingons swear vengeance on someone who'd wronged with, with the plan to literally rip out and eat his heart. So, that kind of thing was already established to be kosher in Klingon culture under specific circumstances.)

[Jokerz79]

You do realize that, at best, mirror Georgiou was a villain protagonist. She may have been given some traits that added some depth to make her more than a cartoon character, but she was never the good guy. Heck, it's a Section 31 project, for pete's sake! The point is to focus on the darker side of the Star Trek universe. (Wouldn't be surprised if the movie is similar to the mirror Georgiou-centric DSC novel Die Trying; while Georgiou does save the day in the end, she remains a brutal agent with a self-serving streak, with the supporting characters being the ones to provide the moral center of the tale. It's actually a pretty good read and expands on some characters and concepts from the other TV shows.)



Context isn't just for kings; in the scene (from ""The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"), it's indicated that the Klingons in question, trapped on a crippled ship ever since the Battle of the Binary Stars, resorted to that out of starvation. (Also, for what it's worth, years earlier in "Blood Oath" [DS9], we saw a group of Klingons swear vengeance on someone who'd wronged with, with the plan to literally rip out and eat his heart. So, that kind of thing was already established to be kosher in Klingon culture under specific circumstances.)

I've forgotten most of DISCO by choice was Georgiou alive or dead when eaten? If dead than it was definitely out of desperation since Klingon's hate dead food.

Edit: Also, some aliens once sent a probe to earth over Humpback Whales. Those same aliens would probably consider us monsters if they found out some humans eat whale meat.

[BeastieRunner]

Enterprise also had a few Section 31 episodes, I think Reed was one of them.


I think Discovery in part might've been influenced to a degree by the Battlestar Galactica in it's early seasons, I think in a way it was almost inevitable.

Funny thing is that Ronald D Moore was a major Star Trek writer for TNG and DS9, in particular the Klingon episodes.

There's an episode of CSI where a Star Trekesque show is reimagined as a gritty reboot. Even some of the Galactica producers and cast appeared in cameos as a wink, including Moore.

You reminded me of a meme I legitimately LOL'd at.

[Anthony W]

I hope it wins a bunch of awards.

Makes tons of money.

The edgelords need more stuff to whine about.

Actually given the subject matter the edgelords are the ones eagerly awaiting this. Soooo I guess that makes you...the edgelord.

[MoneySpider]

They are trying to cash in and use some of Yeoh current Oscar winning popularity to make people watch more streaming star trek. Why don't they just make a star trek 4 with a 100 million budget.

If I remember correctly, Michelle Yeoh was attached to a Section 31 show/concept a few years before she won an Oscar. And they seem to be having a difficult time getting Star Trek 4 off the ground.

[WebLurker]

I've forgotten most of DISCO by choice was Georgiou alive or dead when eaten?

Dead. She was killed at the end of the two-part pilot. She and Burnham beamed aboard the Klingon ship to capture T'Kuvma alive and hopefully end his war then and there. He killed her in combat and Burnham shot him dead in retaliation (thus creating a martyr out of the "Klingon messiah," the very thing they'd been trying to avoid). In the chaos, Burnham is forced to leave her body behind and then we later learn what happened offscreen.

If dead than it was definitely out of desperation since Klingon's hate dead food.

Well, they do eat stewed gakh in some episodes.

[j9ac9k]

I agree with that. The only place it worked was on DS9 with Sloane as such a great character. By definition, prequels are obsessed with the past but also obsessed with changing it and inserting things that don't belong in that era.

Did he pop up before or after Walter Keonig showed up as Bester on B5?

If I remember correctly, Michelle Yeoh was attached to a Section 31 show/concept a few years before she won an Oscar. And they seem to be having a difficult time getting Star Trek 4 off the ground.

As you said, "a few years"-- I think Fridays is commenting on the timing that this is suddenly happening right after she won an Oscar. (I also wonder if Yeoh became less interested in being tied down to a show after winning)