Wonder Woman’s daughter, Trinity, to be introduced in ‘Wonder Woman’ #800!

[SiegePerilous02]

I'm pretty sure Clark was well into his late 20s, if not 30s when the Justice League was founded. He has never been that young as a founder.

Superman was well into his late 20s if not 30s when Dick became Nightwing, well after the JL was founded. The New 52 had him be a recent college grad when the JL was formed, but the overall main continuity has to function that way as well since we use Dick's growth as a measuring stick for how old everyone else must be. He has to be in his early 20s for it to work, since DC is only now vaguely indicating he *might* be in his early 40s well after he's married and has Jon, and Dick has to be in his late 20s.

Superman was nowhere near being 19 when he founded the JL.

Besides, at least that time the league was being formed, not like they had options. But a fully established league deciding to appoint a teenager as their leader just because her mother is a great hero is such a ridiculous idea. And its not like Lizzie comes across as very mature in her appearances so far, she acts like a stereotypical bratty teenager which is okay. But I don't think she would be a good fit as the leader of JL. Maybe Teen Titans.

He was in the 22-24 range, which isn't a huge gap from 19. We also know less of the circumstances of the JL in the future, maybe they don't have many options either? Are the Teen Titans ever still a thing? And when one of the alternatives is Damian, a 19 year old isn't a stretch.

[Fergus]

It does seem unrealistic even by comic book standards.

Pusher are going to push. DC is pushing this character hard right now. The thing is if you push characters too hard too quickly the audience can turn on them.

Oh please! Liz is barely getting pushed. Compare her to Punchline, Yara or any other new character or the 5G replacements. DC has been very understated in her roll out which is paying off. The discuss over her has died down.

[Mantis-Ray]

Oh please! Liz is barely getting pushed. Compare her to Punchline, Yara or any other new character or the 5G replacements. DC has been very understated in her roll out which is paying off. The discuss over her has died down.

Oh yeah if you want to look at actually aggressive ways of pushing a character, look at say Punchline, Ghost-Maker, Jace Fox Batman, or Jo Mullein Green Lantern getting their own books immediately after being introduced and getting dominating levels of screentime overall. Keep in mind this does included Yara.

By contrast everything about Lizzie is pretty tame in execution. They are just letting the story and her place in it roll at its own pace.

[Laser_Man]

Superman was well into his late 20s if not 30s when Dick became Nightwing, well after the JL was founded. The New 52 had him be a recent college grad when the JL was formed, but the overall main continuity has to function that way as well since we use Dick's growth as a measuring stick for how old everyone else must be. He has to be in his early 20s for it to work, since DC is only now vaguely indicating he *might* be in his early 40s well after he's married and has Jon, and Dick has to be in his late 20s.



He was in the 22-24 range, which isn't a huge gap from 19. We also know less of the circumstances of the JL in the future, maybe they don't have many options either? Are the Teen Titans ever still a thing? And when one of the alternatives is Damian, a 19 year old isn't a stretch.

If there are any different circumstances which necessitated a teenager becoming the leader of Justice Leauge, Tom King should have shown it in the story. He can't expect readers to use head canon to fill in all the gaps in his writing.

[Laser_Man]

Oh please! Liz is barely getting pushed. Compare her to Punchline, Yara or any other new character or the 5G replacements. DC has been very understated in her roll out which is paying off. The discuss over her has died down.

King is literally writing this entire run to set up Lizzie as the latest and most important addition to Wonder Woman mythos. The story is framed as a reveal of Lizzie's origins.

What more of a push can she get? She is also getting a one shot special with Supersons soon.

[Primal Slayer]

King is literally writing this entire run to set up Lizzie as the latest and most important addition to Wonder Woman mythos. The story is framed as a reveal of Lizzie's origins.

What more of a push can she get? She is also getting a one shot special with Supersons soon.

Her one shot is a collection of her back up. Still not as big as what Punchline or Yara or other characters who literally got their own full fledged series

[Laser_Man]

Her one shot is a collection of her back up. Still not as big as what Punchline or Yara or other characters who literally got their own full fledged series

What about the fact this run being the origin story of Lizzie?

[Fuzzy Mittens]

What about the fact this run being the origin story of Lizzie?

...Shrug?
I mean im not sold on Lizzie myself, but compared to Punchline popping up as the central figure of a crisis crossover event, getting a backup solo within a month, fighting on even terms with Batman to show off that shes just as important as the most important character in the Batfamily, cameoing in every Batbook of the time wherin we are informed that she is bigger than anyone the heroes have ever faced, and getting her own mini within a year of coming into existence, this is pretty small potatoes.

If anything id call this pretty muted and organic compared to the nonsense they could have pulled.
Like, we had an ongoing that lasted a year and a half just about a dystopian Future State wherin a fascist regime took over Gotham. Well before and after the event it revolved around actually occurred.
Trinity getting a couple stories in the backup and a standalone oneshot? Pretty mild compared to what they could have done.

[SiegePerilous02]

If there are any different circumstances which necessitated a teenager becoming the leader of Justice Leauge, Tom King should have shown it in the story. He can't expect readers to use head canon to fill in all the gaps in his writing.

The only gap is the one you are making in your head. Lizzie is the leader of the JL, and she's 19. It's pretty straightforward, not a story gap.

Again, we had a version of Superman who founded and lead the JL at the ripe old age of 22ish. And the Pre-Crisis Superman was around 29 when Dick Grayson was 19, meaning the Silver Age Superman probably was around the same age as his New 52 counterpart when he formed the League.

[Mantis-Ray]

What about the fact this run being the origin story of Lizzie?

I mean at that point you are arguing against the existence of new characters in general.

If King wants his run to include focus on the ascension of some characters hero or villain, that's his right. He just has to make sure we get good stories out of the new characters he's introducing like any writer anywhere.

[Agent Z]

Oh yeah if you want to look at actually aggressive ways of pushing a character, look at say Punchline, Ghost-Maker, Jace Fox Batman, or Jo Mullein Green Lantern getting their own books immediately after being introduced and getting dominating levels of screentime overall. Keep in mind this does included Yara.

By contrast everything about Lizzie is pretty tame in execution. They are just letting the story and her place in it roll at its own pace.

I'd say these appearances weren't that aggressive. It was mostly in their own solo books (if they had one) and sharing page time with other characters in other books.

[Pinsir]

I think they need to STOP. It's like Batman and all the Robins he's collected over the years. There are too many and when you kill them off, they always crawl back from the grave...

NO MORE WONDER GIRLS!! PLAY WITH THE TOYS YOU ALREADY HAVE!!

[Agent Z]

I think they need to STOP. It's like Batman and all the Robins he's collected over the years. There are too many and when you kill them off, they always crawl back from the grave...

NO MORE WONDER GIRLS!! PLAY WITH THE TOYS YOU ALREADY HAVE!!

Donna and Cassie barely appear in the main Wonder Woman books, Lizzie is confined to stories set in the future for the time being and Yara doesn't have a solo book, having to settle for being featured in Amazons Attack alongside Nubia, Faruka and Mary Marvel (who has no business being in a Wonder Woman book).

This problem is greatly overblown. Even if you think there are too many characters (in a comic series that has been running for more than 70 years), it's not like you have to use them all at once.

And Trinity isn't a Wonder Girl. She's not even using the name Wonder Girl, for God's sake.

[Mantis-Ray]

I'd say these appearances weren't that aggressive. It was mostly in their own solo books (if they had one) and sharing page time with other characters in other books.

True its a relative thing.

Like you don't have to like Lizzie but yeah the whole hand-wringing about her is extremally overblown and more aggressive than the actual promotion she gets.

[Agent Z]

True its a relative thing.

Like you don't have to like Lizzie but yeah the whole hand-wringing about her is extremally overblown and more aggressive than the actual promotion she gets.

I'm mostly indifferent to her but my main frustration with her is that she feels more like an accessory for Jon and Damian than a Wonder Woman character. Say what you like about Yara's execution, especially in regards to diversity, but at least she felt like she was a Wonder Woman character.